Simple question- should Mackinnon go ?

While not asking for him to be sacked now , the point Danny makes is very true regarding performances under Ray , there are not many games where you can say we played really well in , last season we ground out results a lot especially at home our away form was brutal and so far this season performances have been poor again .

I went to game Saturday hoping the fact it was a big game would lift the performance level , it did nothing of the sort and that is a worry , Ray ready needs to start upping his game or he will lose his job , performances have to improve pronto or he will be gone by Christmas

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Originally Posted by Otm_Shank

Think you're looking for negatives when there are more obvious ones there. I highly highly doubt he's disinterested or half arsed about this. That's just projecting and speculating. Not everyone hops up and down like Martin O' Neil

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Me no understand?

When you go through the pages of this very site, you can make a list of negatives that im not about to repeat yet again. So sorry for seeing something that i saw 2 years ago and being worried about seeing just that again in another manager. Seeing that led me to say what turned out to be the eventual fate of Jackie and out team.

And i dont want to see a Martin O'Neill type manager at Tannadice. I just want to see a manager i can have confidence in, and be confident that he is getting the backing required to get us out this league!

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Originally Posted by Chick A Saw

Me no understand?

When you go through the pages of this very site, you can make a list of negatives that im not about to repeat yet again. So sorry for seeing something that i saw 2 years ago and being worried about seeing just that again in another manager. Seeing that led me to say what turned out to be the eventual fate of Jackie and out team.

And i dont want to see a Martin O'Neill type manager at Tannadice. I just want to see a manager i can have confidence in, and be confident that he is getting the backing required to get us out this league!

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Yes there are plenty of negatives, thats my point, you don't need to invent some. You're assuming he's disinterested but you don't know that.

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Originally Posted by Otm_Shank

Yes there are plenty of negatives, thats my point, you don't need to invent some. You're assuming he's disinterested but you don't know that.

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Not inventing it! Just saying what i see! I saw it with Jackie before he was sacked and i believe i am seeing it again.

You might well be right Chick but for me it's much simpler.
He just isn't very good.
Despite some suggestions on here nobody is looking for him to be sacked because of one bad result or even one bad performance against St Mirren.
As has been pointed out we were dire to watch last year and nothing has changed.
Even if it wasn't his players last year a good manager gets the best out of what he has to work with.
I'd suggest Duffy at Morton was a good example of that.
We can only hope that the guys who support Ray are proved to be right.

I liked Ray as a player and like most I was wanting him to do well. However, he has been a massive disappointment. Since November 2016, we have only beaten TWO teams in the league by 2 goals or more, QotS & Raith. We have ground out victories and draws with turgid performances in a league that we should be IMO dominating. Our away form has been absolutely brutal (I break out in a cold sweat when I recall both Dumbarton games).

Although the squad appears to have improved the performances clearly haven't. We are so predictable to play against and RMcK seems reluctant to change anything. This 1 up front p1sh has to stop. I couldn't believe that on Saturday, he wouldn't make a change until 65 mins! The fact that only 971 Utd fans were there, means that fans are starting to stay away rather than suffer these performances.

I don't know what the answer is, but if he could change his tactics, I would be willing to stick with him. Mind you from what I've seen I'm not sure he can.

Fans will accept a defeat now and again if they see consistent performances and evidence that the team is playing decent football.

The recurring theme in all of this is that we have never (rarely?) played decent football under Ray. He doesn't seem to be able to knit players together and coach them to play with fluidity. And that's been the case since he came in. If it's true that he's playing McDonald on his own in a 4231 that is criminal.

I have to wonder if the performances bear out a belief from the players that they have decided that RM isn't up to it. Hope that bit is untrue btw

The depressing part is that we probably have no money to pay a manager off so we are stuck with him imo
I just hope that when the players are fully fit and match sharp we see an improvement.

Plumbers stats in the thread on Rays record are worrying. We need to see an improvement soon.

I don't want to sack a manager this early least of all Ray. But as others have said performances are diabolical, despite 3 wins from 4, it just isn't good to watch. What concerns me is the one dimensional formation. Surely tactics have to be mixed up, dependant on opponent. For goodness sake he played under the legend that is Jim McLean, surely some of that must have rubbed off! The only other excuses, are possibly the players aren't as good as they or we might think or his 'opponent spies' are mince!

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Originally Posted by FTD1983

You don't need to play well to win this league.

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Holy sh1t!!!!

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Originally Posted by USArab

This! ^^^^^^^

The team is neither fully fit nor injury free yet and it's too early in the season to change the manager again and for whom? I doubt that United would be able to attract the caliber of manager we think club needs nor the budget to bring in quality players. God forbid we step back int a Mixuesque scenario. RM will get it right!

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With all due respect US, your not having to endure this ****e on a weekley basis for the past two season. Its the worst football ive seen guys in a United **** play. Its truly f ucking awful and the finger points at one man.