O/T Democracy

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Originally Posted by BigLadonOS

He has been telling them for ages that technology exists that can do this but look at it this way. If you were the EU and you wanted us to stay in the EU and the only way you could get us to stay in the EU was with this backstop would you really tell everyone that a solution had been found? Of course you would not.

It is strange that once they believed that Boris was sincere in his threat to leave with no deal they suddenly started talking about changing the backstop and then after 4 or 5 days the remoaner MP's started forming pacts and having meetings about stopping no deal that they then reverted back to their old rhetoric that they could not change the backstop.

Typical of that ****er corbyn to throw a spanner in the works just when things were looking up.

****ing remoaners would throw us all under a bus to keep us in the EU, ****ers that they are.

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What eveidence was there that the EU were talking about changing the backstop? They seem to completely firm on this. Merkel gave the "30 days" bit challenging Boris to come up with a solution which he went away accepting. Why didn;t he just give her a copy of your report?

And you missed my question: if the backstop issue was sorted, would you then accept the WA and compromise on the other reservations many Brexiteers have about the WA? If you and No Dealers are not really interested in the backstop, we're wasting our time on this aren't we?

Surely the MP,s should now be asked to vote again on the same issue.

After all it wasn't the answer that some people wanted.
That's how we do things now isn't it

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Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller

Last night / tomorrow is about blocking no deal not about blocking brexit.

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. What a load of *******s that is. If you believe that you will be thicker than you look.

Our mp Sarah champion voted against Boris after being on TV saying no deal should be kept on the table. ****er.

She has ****ed the Rotherham public again

I was just about to post the same although could i suggest it's phrased slightly differently

Wanchai you,re an intelligent poster so you don't expect anyone to believe that do you
This is yet another vehicle to reverse the vote and keep us in the EU. You know it, everyone knows it

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Originally Posted by BigLadonOS

He has been telling them for ages that technology exists that can do this but look at it this way. If you were the EU and you wanted us to stay in the EU and the only way you could get us to stay in the EU was with this backstop would you really tell everyone that a solution had been found? Of course you would not.

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The Good Friday Agreement is a treaty between Britain and the RoI regulated by US Congress. Part of the agreement is that there should be no border between the UK and RoI; the border should be open to free movement of people, goods, capital and services.

Brexit has come about due to a referendum in the UK. The terms are that we should leave the EU and close our border with EU countries to regulate immigration (stop free movement of people between EU countries and the UK) and take back sovereignty. Leaving with no deal to trade under WTO terms will to stop free movement of goods, capital and services (wto rules require good to enter customs for clearence and does not cover capital and services).*

None of this has been brought about by the EU. It is all UK / Brexit inspired. Yet Johnson and his leave supporters blame the EU for the problem and compel them to offer up a solution. Brexiteers seem to believe a closed border and an open border can co exist. Are they living in a brexit inspired techno virtual fantasy world?

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Originally Posted by flourbasher

I was just about to post the same although could i suggest it's phrased slightly differently

Wanchai you,re an intelligent poster so you don't expect anyone to believe that do you
This is yet another vehicle to reverse the vote and keep us in the EU. You know it, everyone knows it

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Seriously flour, I dont see it like that. Todays vote is to take no deal off the table.

Johnson campaigned through the referendum that we would leave with a better deal than currently exists as a full member of the EU. I think he should be held to account.

Only 2 Labour MPs voted against.

Back in the 1970s most of the parliamentary party were Eurosceptic, an almost total takeover, that's why you'll never get a deal with the EU, they're ruthless and they're banked by the globalists and international investment banks.

I don't think many in parliament want to stay in the EU big lad they just don't want to come out without a deal which makes a lot of sense to me. You really can't gamble on the lives of 60 million people on some sort of whimsical view that everything will be tickety boo if we come out of the EU without a deal. It is not compounded by the fact Johnson is obviously a serial liar. How can you trust that man?