Minteh

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Originally Posted by Nufcian

Biggest disappointment for me is that we were told that we have been operating with financial limits, and if we are selling because we have to sell then what does that say about how the club is operating and just how limited are we really.

Silver lining is that this is 33m off our spend in one hit… and that allows for a couple of deals this summer… all for a player we’ll not miss… and if the rumours about his personality are right then it’s not the biggest loss.

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Indeed, it can be seen to be a major issue. However, I look at it like a bottle neck.

The likes of Chelsea have vast reserves of 'sellable assets', youth players, players out at feeder clubs they can sell on. Plus they have a global sponsorship network from the days when they were winning the Champions League all was rosy in the Ruski garden.

Chelsea sold for $3.2 billion or or £2.5 billion, that is what the business was valued, arguably because Abramovich has to sell up it was cheap. Newcastle sold at £305 million. That's 12.2% of the value of Chelsea. Our commercial revenue was zero. The club was free of debt but generated ZERO revenue.

In 2 yrs the board and execs have worked to bring in the sponsorships to give us a commercial revenue stream that never existed during the previous regime. As we know fatso sold players, Carrol, Cabaye, Sissoko to fund the club.

Right now the club are unable to exploit the vast financial resources of our owner due to these restrictions. In a few more years time with the additions in Training ground, training kit, Stadium and all manner of other sponsors we'll have more flexibility financially.

It's just a case that we're in a financial bottle neck right now, the other clubs Associated Party Sponsorship blocking rule changes are to extend that period as long as possible in the hope the Saudi's get bored or angry/insulted and ditch the project.

Foolish concept indeed as these guys are legacy building for the future and no way will the bail whilst they will host the world cup. Everything sport and football related is front and centre of their agenda.

We just need to be a bit more patience and certainly not bite at every story printed in the press. It's 99% Horse Shyte!

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Originally Posted by Jammy89

Latest report I saw said it was Brighton taht were in pole position for him.

Offer is £30 million and no clauses. . . Apperently he fits all their metrics. . . course he doesn - he'll have a brilliant season there and then be flogged to LiVARpool for £80 million next summer.

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That is actually a concern-Brighton have consistently identified 'under the radar' players who everyone else looks at and goes 'how the fuck have they found another one??

It's an absolute joke that we have to sell him. How on earth are we meant to build a squad?

The CartPL will be looking on and smirking.

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Originally Posted by Nufcian

Biggest disappointment for me is that we were told that we have been operating with financial limits, and if we are selling because we have to sell then what does that say about how the club is operating and just how limited are we really.

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This.

I dont know how the planning goes in the club. But if someone was authorizing summer deals and suddenly fells 33 mills short, then the question is where did they miscalculated?
I doubt they planned for CL 1/8 or 1/4, another top-4 finish?

DOnt get me wrong, Im happy with Tino in the b&w. Hall too. But one year ago it wasnt that obvious. if you are so tight on the budget you dont flop 30 mills for two back up fullbacks each same year you gonna be hit with FFP

Actually, as I see it - if its all true, then we were lucky to have Minteh overperforming, because if not him who else? The pnly thought I have is that Almiron had a U-turn on SA transfer

Personally, I think the club had planned to sell Miggy to the Saudi club in Jan, only for it to go south.

Then we'd have been fine on PSR.

I also wonder if we could have got past it by selling Ashworth's gardening leave time but the club have decided they'd rather Man Utd sweat it.

It sucks but not the end of the world in my opinion.

The guy could be amazing but we've just suffering for 15 yrs of financial decline.

It won't last long as the board are working to bring in more and more sponsors and increase the commercial revenue.

It would be typical, if he goes to Brighton has a stormer. Then in January Chelsea buy him for 100 million.

Given the rumours about Elanga, I’d be okay with him coming in to replace Miggy.

Obviously Anderson going the other way would be a concern, but still pure profit on the balance sheet unlocking spend this summer… and when I looked at the stats (Premier League only) for Miggy and Elanga last season:

Miggy: 3 goals 1 assist
Elanga: 5 goals 9 assist

When you consider the teams around both players, I’d say Elanga is clearly a decent upgrade… plus if you remember his pace and ability to run at people (he destroyed Dan Burn) then I could get behind that as a realistic target who will improve on what we have… and he would cost LESS than we’ll sell Minteh for.

On Anderson… be sad to see him go, but he’s probably after Miley in the pecking order, and if we keep Longstaff then for his own development he needs games at this point in his career… BUT… we have to have a sell on or buy back clause in place (and expect Forest might ask the same on Elanga)… and for both the clubs it makes sense from a FFP standpoint (every other f**ker is doing it 🤣)

If Minteh goes, then I'd want those at the club to know something about him they basically don't like.
He might turn out to be a world beater or a talent with a bad attitude. I'm gonna have to trust the club on this.
As for Anderson, if 35 million is true then it's a great deal in one respect as far as FFP goes, but naturally, it's a wrench to have a homegrown talent leave.
Also, I like Elanga.