Will SM take us to promotion?

A loss on Saturday would be a bitter blow for Notts' promotion hopes and for Maynard's reputation.

Possibly, it certainly depends if he can get an Injury free squad soon.

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Originally Posted by Mud Pie

subjectively crap iyo. Objectively we're 6th after 18 games.

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Every ones crap if you listen to Durham.

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Originally Posted by Bohinen

But you could argue the reverse is also true and he can't lose, if we don't get promoted it's, 'Good old Stu, I really like him, it wasn't his fault, Montague bought the wrong players', and if he does win it, 'give him a five-year contract'.

We have seen seasons before when we started well then faltered and it was 'we're still 5th FFS', and dogs nodded us all the way to the relegation zone. Look at current form, we are 17th. Have we played good teams? Yes, but when we played bad teams to go top, were people saying that?

It seems to me we always have a defeat in us, especially when it matters. We'll end up losing 4-3 or 3-2, and that's 'so unlucky' until you look at the fact we were two goals down and well beaten until a goal six minutes into injury time.

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That's just why this thread should be retitled "do you like Maynard or not" because it's more to do with personality than ability, for what it's worth I have always had concerns about him but firmly believe that it would be unfair to sack him when we are in with a shout despite our shocking injury list, give him this season & then assess it is where I am.COYP

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

He's been here almost a year and his record is worse than Steve Thompson.

Tier 4 managers PPG table (league and play offs only, does not include Caretakers)
2.50 Steve Cotterill
2.15 Sam Allardyce
2.01 Jimmy Sirrel
2.00 David Kevan (2)
1.87 Frank Hill
1.62 Luke Williams
1.56 Kevin Nolan
1.42 Tim Coleman (3)
1.42 Andy Beattie
1.33 Jack Wheeler
1.30 Ricardo Moniz
1.29 Hans Backe
1.28 Steve Thompson
1.26 Jack Burkitt
1.24 Eddie Lowe
1.24 Stuart Maynard
1.18 Harry Kewell
1.17 Ian Richardson
1.13 Gudjon Thordarson
1.13 Ian McParland
1.10 Billy Gray
1.10 Mark Cooper
1.06 Gary Mills
0.96 Neal Ardley
0.92 John Sheridan
0.83 Jamie Fullarton

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I always like your posts UTM.
Under SM I notice that we got 18 points from 19 games last season.
28 points from 18 games this season. So we do seem to be moving in the right direction.
Anyway, many on here (including me) have suggested that you are often selective in the stats you put out.
So for me ( and just as a bit of fun ) are you able to re-jig the above table to show all those managers' last 18 games at Tier 4 please.

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Originally Posted by 1955pie

So for me ( and just as a bit of fun ) are you able to re-jig the above table to show all those managers' last 18 games at Tier 4 please.

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Not without patching the code that generates these lists (which is already a patched up spaghetti nightmare) and you're then comparing against almost all managers at their very worst before they got sacked or quit (Cotterill and Sirrel are about the only two I can think of who left on a high). What will Maynard's final 18 game PPG be before he leaves? We won't know until it happens.

You could take the last 5 games of last season and the first six of the current one to make Maynard look like a genius, but the fairest as well as least selective way to do it, once they've overseen half a season's worth of games, is to compare everybody's results in total at the same level. The more games they've managed, the more the average settles down. When they first arrive, then it makes more sense to compare by first x number of games.

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

Not without patching the code that generates these lists (which is already a patched up spaghetti nightmare) and you're then comparing against almost all managers at their very worst before they got sacked or quit (Cotterill and Sirrel are about the only two I can think of who left on a high). What will Maynard's final 18 game PPG be before he leaves? We won't know until it happens.

You could take the last 5 games of last season and the first six of the current one to make Maynard look like a genius, but the fairest as well as least selective way to do it, once they've overseen half a season's worth of games, is to compare everybody's results in total at the same level. The more games they've managed, the more the average settles down. When they first arrive, then it makes more sense to compare by first x number of games.

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Thanks for considering it. You don't want to risk messing everything up.
I thought, that as some seem to want him gone now, we could compare his games this season to a similar number of matches for other managers at the end of their tenure. I think last season was a rather unusual set of circumstances for him to walk into.

Having a full pre season is ***** for any manager or head coach. It provides a clean slate, a more accurate reflection and removes excuses that are valid when coming in mid season.

That is just one of the reasons why I am more concerned with his statistics such as points per game this season rather than overall

If Crowley has 'spit dummy', how much of that might be down to Maynard?

I realise we'll never know the answer but I think it's the inevitable direction that post Crowley comment will travel if he does go without kicking another ball for us.

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

Not without patching the code that generates these lists (which is already a patched up spaghetti nightmare) and you're then comparing against almost all managers at their very worst before they got sacked or quit (Cotterill and Sirrel are about the only two I can think of who left on a high). What will Maynard's final 18 game PPG be before he leaves? We won't know until it happens.

You could take the last 5 games of last season and the first six of the current one to make Maynard look like a genius, but the fairest as well as least selective way to do it, once they've overseen half a season's worth of games, is to compare everybody's results in total at the same level. The more games they've managed, the more the average settles down. When they first arrive, then it makes more sense to compare by first x number of games.

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I respect your view but reckon last season was a write off. I'm judging him almost solely on this season and can't find much fault. Even including the horror of last season (for SM), he's middle of the pack really.