Playoffs here we come

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Originally Posted by durhampie

The thing is we never seem to go for it. Even when we are losing with minutes to go, we still play as though there is 90 minutes still to play. We dont have anyone in the team prepared to bust a gut to get us back into it.. They always say a dog owner looks like his dog. In our case the team reflect Maynard...

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It is seriously frustrating when Notts are like that. It's not just been under Maynard though - it seems to have been like it for years. I watched McGoldrick's youtube interview where he says football is now full of robot players, coached by robot coaches. The passion and individual brilliance is being coached out of players at a young age and being replaced with 'how much they run' and 'how fit can they be made'.

I've been saying it for years. I coached kids teams in NZ for a while and we had quite a lot of success. I was given free rein and we played 4-4-2 and played all our fancy stuff in the opponents half - the ball was always on the ground. Basic common sense. Defenders job was to stop the opposition and get the ball as fast as possible to those that could do something with it.

I was asked to coach the Cambridge U11 year olds first team, when they became a 'Federation' team. My first team had won the league and cup the previous year - so I thought it was more of the same. Kids football is quite well organised in NZ and the Federation is a precursor to playing in a National League. I accepted, and then the club gave me a 300 page manual on how to coach the kids - supplied by the NZ Football Federation. It was virtually all about getting players to build from the back and ensuring that all players from the goalkeeper forwards, touched the ball and could 'build from the back'. I handed the book back and said thanks but no thanks - It would be like watching Notts. That was the end of my coaching :).

A dog owner looks like his dog? We've always had Basset Hounds XD.

The stats say we score quite a few late goals, it maybe doesnt feel like it cos so few if any are actual winners. It felt at Colchester like we would not have scored if we had played all night. We also rely far too much on a select few to score goals, thats why I loved Tsaroullas goal so much last week, a proper team goal finished off by someone different.

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Originally Posted by Lullapie

It is seriously frustrating when Notts are like that. It's not just been under Maynard though - it seems to have been like it for years. I watched McGoldrick's youtube interview where he says football is now full of robot players, coached by robot coaches. The passion and individual brilliance is being coached out of players at a young age and being replaced with 'how much they run' and 'how fit can they be made'.

I've been saying it for years. I coached kids teams in NZ for a while and we had quite a lot of success. I was given free rein and we played 4-4-2 and played all our fancy stuff in the opponents half - the ball was always on the ground. Basic common sense. Defenders job was to stop the opposition and get the ball as fast as possible to those that could do something with it.

I was asked to coach the Cambridge U11 year olds first team, when they became a 'Federation' team. My first team had won the league and cup the previous year - so I thought it was more of the same. Kids football is quite well organised in NZ and the Federation is a precursor to playing in a National League. I accepted, and then the club gave me a 300 page manual on how to coach the kids - supplied by the NZ Football Federation. It was virtually all about getting players to build from the back and ensuring that all players from the goalkeeper forwards, touched the ball and could 'build from the back'. I handed the book back and said thanks but no thanks - It would be like watching Notts. That was the end of my coaching :).

A dog owner looks like his dog? We've always had Basset Hounds XD.

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I can confirm that😂

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Originally Posted by BigFatPie

It felt at Colchester like we would not have scored if we had played all night.

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We've been through all this stuff on loads of different threads, but FWIW here's my summary opinion:

(1) Sometimes we are creating good chances and narrowly missing goal / hitting woodwork / cleared off line / etc.

(2) Other times there's simply no real goal threat. That's when I really wish we had Plan B - anything really - just mix things up a bit to throw the defenders out of their comfort zone.

You only need to execute Plan B in case (2) and only at that stage in the game when a shake up is urgently needed.

Surely this isn't beyond the range of our coaching staff?

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Originally Posted by Mark_Ross

We've been through all this stuff on loads of different threads, but FWIW here's my summary opinion:

(1) Sometimes we are creating good chances and narrowly missing goal / hitting woodwork / cleared off line / etc.

(2) Other times there's simply no real goal threat. That's when I really wish we had Plan B - anything really - just mix things up a bit to throw the defenders out of their comfort zone.

You only need to execute Plan B in case (2) and only at that stage in the game when a shake up is urgently needed.

Surely this isn't beyond the range of our coaching staff?

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But in all honesty what teams actually do this? Do City or Liverpool start going long, do Forest start playing possession football, teams play to their strengths and make more subtle changes, I.e get say Abbott further forward, overload a side more.

I think if there was proof this kind of thing had more chance of working I.e long throws or going long last 5 and say putting a defender up front then why don?t the best teams do it when chasing a game?

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Originally Posted by matt_magpie

But in all honesty what teams actually do this? Do City or Liverpool start going long, do Forest start playing possession football, teams play to their strengths and make more subtle changes, I.e get say Abbott further forward, overload a side more.

I think if there was proof this kind of thing had more chance of working I.e long throws or going long last 5 and say putting a defender up front then why don?t the best teams do it when chasing a game?

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🙏 perfect 👌

Here's a list of when the goals have come and against who........

F 1-5 mins: 1 COL
A 1-5 mins: 3 bro mor cht

F 6-10 mins: 3 GRI car nwp
A 6-10 mins: 4 bro che brw BRW

F 11-15 mins: 4 GRI bro che don
A 11-15 mins: 1 sal

F 16-20 mins: 7 ACC SWI acc CAR gil gil fle
A 16-20 mins:

F 21-25 mins:
A 21-25 mins: 3 swi PTV wim

F 26-30 mins: 5 swi BRA cht WAL acc
A 26-30 mins: 1 FLE

F 31-35 mins: 3 car BRA BRA
A 31-35 mins: 2 sal wim

F 36-40 mins: 2 cht SWI
A 36-40 mins: 2 GIL cre

F 41-45 mins:
A 41-45 mins: 1 col

F 45 + mins: 1 GRI
A 45 + mins: 1 GRI

F 46-50 mins: 2 bro MKD
A 46-50 mins: 3 FLE cht COL

F 51-55 mins: 1 MKD
A 51-55 mins: 1 sal

F 56-60 mins: 8 FLE GRI bro HRG mkd cht BRO gri
A 56-60 mins: 2 wal cht

F 61-65 mins: 4 cht acc BRW nwp
A 61-65 mins: 4 cre wal WAL BRW

F 66-70 mins: 3 ACC WIM MOR
A 66-70 mins: 3 fle fle CHE

F 71-75 mins: 4 wal mkd MOR MKD
A 71-75 mins: 2 che don

F 76-80 mins: 3 swi mor TRA
A 76-80 mins: 2 BRO gil

F 81-85 mins: 2 TRA CHE
A 81-85 mins: 2 WAL ptv

F 86-90 mins: 3 bro fle gri
A 86-90 mins: 3 wal TRA CHE

F 90 + mins: 5 FLE che brw wal cht
A 90 + mins:

Games WON from a losing position : 3 swi bro cht

Games LOST from a winning position: 1 WAL



Winning at HT: 14 v GRI ACC car don BRA cht WAL SWI acc CAR gil COL fle nwp

Drawing at HT: 16 v tra swi che WIM HRG NWP wal mkd BRO MOR ptv TRA gri CHE CRE MKD

Losing at HT: 11 v FLE bro GIL mor PTV brw cre sal BRW wim col

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Originally Posted by matt_magpie

But in all honesty what teams actually do this? Do City or Liverpool start going long, do Forest start playing possession football, teams play to their strengths and make more subtle changes, I.e get say Abbott further forward, overload a side more.

I think if there was proof this kind of thing had more chance of working I.e long throws or going long last 5 and say putting a defender up front then why don?t the best teams do it when chasing a game?

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For sure I get your point. And my simple answer is: "I've no idea!" Sheer stubbornness??

I remember watching (in astonished disbelief) an international finals game - fairly recent years - Netherlands v somebody. The Dutch (playing their usual stylish stuff) were two goals down and I think there was about 10 mins left. They brought on a really big old fashioned centre forward and started a relentless aerial bombardment. Total chaos in the opposition box. The game finished level. And what do you think the Dutch did next? They went back to their original plan!! And inevitably lost the game in ET.

Maynard on Colchester and Salford: https://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/vide...9-05fd58330192

it's sad when long term fans resort to homophobic slurs about SM's 'limp-wristedness' because he's not afraid to take sensible criticism head on. In response to the 'no one busting a gut' line:

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"In Saturday's game we showed in the last 10-15 minutes we played with a lot of emotion rather than sticking to what we were doing really well within the game getting around them in the final third. It's so key now in the last 5 games that we don't play with emotion."

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eta: Bedeau's pre-Salford presser seems to ref the conversation on here too - "[Colchester] was one of those days!" His two goals could be v!tal for us in the run in.

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Originally Posted by matt_magpie

But in all honesty what teams actually do this? Do City or Liverpool start going long, do Forest start playing possession football, teams play to their strengths and make more subtle changes, I.e get say Abbott further forward, overload a side more.

I think if there was proof this kind of thing had more chance of working I.e long throws or going long last 5 and say putting a defender up front then why don?t the best teams do it when chasing a game?

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Football has become more orchestrated in modern times and those maverick players and chaos in games are virtually no more apart from the occasional goalmouth scramble.

The days of a Martin Allen sticking a defender such as Sam Sodjie up top who can jump and a head a ball with chants from the Kop of “score in a minute he’s going to score in a minute” and lumping high balls into the box to cause chaos for the last five minutes in a game seem like a different era. The old league two cross field diagonal ball from left back to the right of a front two and vice versa has all but died out.

Things have changed a lot in English Football in the last 10-15 years certainly since Spain won the 2010 World Cup and Pep coming to manage Man City.

As you rightly point out some teams do not change the way they play and put all their trust in their system and style of play and those patterns they work on in training. It was even mentioned in commentary in one of our playoff games I think it was the Boreham Wood game before JJ scored the winner that we do not change the way we play. It worked that day and we have scored late goals.