OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

'That's if Merkel hasn't turned Europe into the new Caliphate in the meantime.'

Oh dear! You do realise that Muslims, despite the 'concentration' based in southern Eastern Europe, only make up about 6% of the European population don't you? That means that 94% aren't Muslim...some Caliphate.

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Save your keyboard the Tricky isn't capable of coherent thoughts, if he was a muslim he'd be labelled as being radicalised!

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Originally Posted by swaledale

Angry are you really suggesting that voting Leave without knowing what that would mean was a risk worth taking??? I cannot believe that statement, why would anyone put their future their children's future should they have any and the country's future at risk on the bais of we hope it will turn out OK?

How is believing staying in the EU the "safe" option given the doom laden arguments by Brexit voters??? Of course its a risk, but the point those who wanted to remain make is that it is less risky than simply voting leave on vague hopes and unfounded fears!

As for those who tout the "we will maybe suffer a bit of slump then be OK" Really? On what basis is that statement made other than a vague hope that things will turn out alright!

Again I point out that the research shows that those who voted for Leave are more likely to be socially conservative and hark back to the good old days, they hate change and more specifically dislike the fact that the world is changing and they cant stop it. Well they will learn son, that the chnage will keep happening and voting leave wont have the desired effect.

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Yes a calculated risk worth taking when you believe that staying in has a greater risk.
You would be risking your children's future staying in my opinion.
We have continually said, although you and others seem incapable of understanding that there was risk on both choices. Some of us believe that leaving will give our children a better future. Strange as that seems to you, intelligent people have come to that decision.
This country has been built on bold decisions. Our decisions, our future, our choice..
Markets are on the up.. These will be cyclical, no change in or out.
In simple terms, some of us believe that the EU is a flawed concept and is at a very difficult stage.. It could go either way. The change from within that you keep banging on about.. Good luck, we have had a certain amount of success with that I suppose with not going into the euro etc but steadily these special circumstances will dissipate. As Tricky has said what we originally accepted back in the 70s bears no resemblance to what we have today. 30 plus years before we got to say enough is enough.. What will it be like before we get an opportunity to say that again. What pile of poo will I have left for my kids? Are you willing to take that risk?
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Hate to make you (and me) feel even older Angry but, the seventies to 2016 is more like forty plus years than thirty plus. Your 'what will it be like before we get an opportunity to say that again' was one of my original arguments in allowing younger people to vote. After all it is their future more than ours and I'm sure many are better equipped to vote than some of the eighty somethings. As things stand any seventeen year olds who just missed out on voting in June will be on their way to 60 by your earlier reckoning. Can that be right?

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

'That's if Merkel hasn't turned Europe into the new Caliphate in the meantime.'

Oh dear! You do realise that Muslims, despite the 'concentration' based in southern Eastern Europe, only make up about 6% of the European population don't you? That means that 94% aren't Muslim...some Caliphate.

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I think that's a very complacent viewpoint. Muslims' intolerance of the ways of other cultures, and the support of the well-meaning, means their impact on European society is way in excess of that.

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Originally Posted by swaledale

Angry are you really suggesting that voting Leave without knowing what that would mean was a risk worth taking??? I cannot believe that statement, why would anyone put their future their children's future should they have any and the country's future at risk on the bais of we hope it will turn out OK?

How is believing staying in the EU the "safe" option given the doom laden arguments by Brexit voters??? Of course its a risk, but the point those who wanted to remain make is that it is less risky than simply voting leave on vague hopes and unfounded fears!

As for those who tout the "we will maybe suffer a bit of slump then be OK" Really? On what basis is that statement made other than a vague hope that things will turn out alright!

Again I point out that the research shows that those who voted for Leave are more likely to be socially conservative and hark back to the good old days, they hate change and more specifically dislike the fact that the world is changing and they cant stop it. Well they will learn son, that the chnage will keep happening and voting leave wont have the desired effect.

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Rubbish. the biggest criticisers of the european project were socialist labour. the only change in tac has been by the whats in it for me brigade. Even Corbyn, (much as I think he's a dick, has never thrown his weight behind it).
You should apply for job in the EU Swale. they pay a bonus to those supporting the project, (fact)

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

I think that's a very complacent viewpoint. Muslims' intolerance of the ways of other cultures, and the support of the well-meaning, means their impact on European society is way in excess of that.

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Assuming you're talking about negative 'impact', where radicalised and extremist Muslims are concerned I'm sure that's true Andy. Beyond that I honestly don't know how you'd substantiate that suggestion.

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

'That's if Merkel hasn't turned Europe into the new Caliphate in the meantime.'

Oh dear! You do realise that Muslims, despite the 'concentration' based in southern Eastern Europe, only make up about 6% of the European population don't you? That means that 94% aren't Muslim...some Caliphate.

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Its actually 7.6% and growing!! 2 MILLION A YEAR FLOODING INTO THE EU.

considering Muslim families are out breeding Europeans by at least 3:1 , then you do the maths.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...continent.html

None so blind, as those that won't see.

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

Hate to make you (and me) feel even older Angry but, the seventies to 2016 is more like forty plus years than thirty plus. Your 'what will it be like before we get an opportunity to say that again' was one of my original arguments in allowing younger people to vote. After all it is their future more than ours and I'm sure many are better equipped to vote than some of the eighty somethings. As things stand any seventeen year olds who just missed out on voting in June will be on their way to 60 by your earlier reckoning. Can that be right?

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Was there not another referendum after the original in vote? Not sure how many years ago that was..
I'm in my 50s and still have a future I like to think... Pros and cons with letting even younger people vote... Be careful what you wish for on that one.
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Tell you what, to satisfy the polls.
Just in here, who wants remain- who wants out?

I think everyone knows by now - out for me

Be careful there Angry lad. The current younger people are at this time running around the streets, chasing imaginary Pokemon, whilst blaming our generation for ruining their future.


PS, I think I deserve the 1000th post for bringing such clarity to this debate, from the red camp