O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

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Originally Posted by Elite_Pie

One thing's for sure, if the government really have 'followed the science', our science is way behind most other countries.

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It seemed incredible nearly 12 months ago that the "science" was saying "wash your hands" whilst cruise ship passengers were clearly likely being hit by their ventilation systems. If the "science" meant "wait until we are 100% certain" then that's a pretty bad way to go about things, though proceeding with the seemingly logical "vaccinate as many as possible before the second dose" has created a furore.

Being a few months in front on the vaccine front seems to be one thing we appear to have got right. Though mid-Feb seems to be a "magic" date when in fact it is mid-Feb +2 or +3 weeks when us old fogeys will have built up resistance.

I would have expected one or both Whitty/Vallance to have fallen on their sword and I'm afraid Van Tam seems to be singing off the same hymn sheet. Who is there out there we should be listening to?

... Look up Ivor Cummins podcast ...
Viral Impact in England - The Empirical Truth Part 1
Ep103 Viral Impact in England – The Empirical Truth Part 1

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Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse

... Look up Ivor Cummins podcast ...
Viral Impact in England - The Empirical Truth Part 1
Ep103 Viral Impact in England – The Empirical Truth Part 1

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Ivor Cummins is a noted covid bullsh!t merchant who’s been wrong at every stage of the pandemic.

https://www.covidfaq.co/Ivor-Cummins-20d36373da834c8f884486a3302ac58e

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Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse

don't be surprised if a faction of the resident population see others taking the p155 and think if it's ok for them, I'll have some of that too. In other words, a breakdown in social structure, aided by the woke, liberal society we have today.

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That classic woke liberal Dom Cummings.

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Originally Posted by Old_pie

Being a few months in front on the vaccine front seems to be one thing we appear to have got right. Though mid-Feb seems to be a "magic" date when in fact it is mid-Feb +2 or +3 weeks when us old fogeys will have built up resistance.

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Seems as if BoJo & Co read this board :)

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Originally Posted by BigFatPie

Ivor Cummins is a noted covid bullsh!t merchant who’s been wrong at every stage of the pandemic.

https://www.covidfaq.co/Ivor-Cummins...4486a3302ac58e

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BFP - you're more than simple. It would be funny if it wasn't quite frightening.
You clearly haven't watched the podcast - still no surprise there. Ivor Cummins is merely the co-ordinator for the presentation which is carried out by a Data Scientist, a Diagnostic Pathologist, a Biotechnologist and a Chartered Statistician from the Royal Statistical Society.
If you don't believe we're all being conned with the numbers there's no hope for you. Even the daily death charts tell you it's all deaths, not just CV19. Hospitals even get paid extra for treating CV19 cases and for dealing with deaths 'in situe', so why wouldn't you put "Cause of Death: CV19" on the death certificate.

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Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse

BFP - you're more than simple. It would be funny if it wasn't quite frightening.
You clearly haven't watched the podcast - still no surprise there. Ivor Cummins is merely the co-ordinator for the presentation which is carried out by a Data Scientist, a Diagnostic Pathologist, a Biotechnologist and a Chartered Statistician from the Royal Statistical Society.
If you don't believe we're all being conned with the numbers there's no hope for you. Even the daily death charts tell you it's all deaths, not just CV19. Hospitals even get paid extra for treating CV19 cases and for dealing with deaths 'in situe', so why wouldn't you put "Cause of Death: CV19" on the death certificate.

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I'm no longer paying much attention to the Covid story, it's iike watching a repeat of last year's news. Whatever the true figures, I do find it odd that a significant number of people who are still on the left and apparently despise Johnson and the government are completely unwilling to question anything to do with Covid and actively attempt to shut down any debate.

I'm more interested in knowing exactly how Covid-19 was released into the world, Did it escape from a lab and if so, was it by accident or by design? Whatever the case may be, China must now realise they can bring the west down by releasing a new far deadlier variant... which begs the question, would they be prepared to sacrifice a few million of their own to achieve that goal?

Can anything be done about it? Thanks to Trump nobody will want to blame China now because that would mean Trump was right. The west hates itself so much right now it would probably welcome the end anyway.
Try to enjoy life whilst you still can.
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Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse

BFP - you're more than simple. It would be funny if it wasn't quite frightening.
You clearly haven't watched the podcast - still no surprise there. Ivor Cummins is merely the co-ordinator for the presentation which is carried out by a Data Scientist, a Diagnostic Pathologist, a Biotechnologist and a Chartered Statistician from the Royal Statistical Society.
If you don't believe we're all being conned with the numbers there's no hope for you. Even the daily death charts tell you it's all deaths, not just CV19. Hospitals even get paid extra for treating CV19 cases and for dealing with deaths 'in situe', so why wouldn't you put "Cause of Death: CV19" on the death certificate.

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Because NHS staff are also dying of Covid, or do they get paid double for the death of one of their own?

Excess death figures are available in the regular charts available. I have previously fit relatives who have struggled after Covid. 90% of those with Covid on their certificate died primarily of Covid.

Tell me who is gaining from falsifying figures and creating a non-existent crisis? Russia, China? America? The Mexicans? Notts County? The wee scotswoman? I'm struggling to seeing where the benefit of creating a crisis lands.

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Originally Posted by TheBlackHorse

... that's right Snobhead 1, blame the government for everything when much of the current mess is down to a portion of the population who will not follow guidelines. If you wanted rules then go and live in a society that has been brought up to follow rules without question - and it's not here. One of the reason people from overseas come to the UK is our lax approach to control; so don't be surprised if a faction of the resident population see others taking the p155 and think if it's ok for them, I'll have some of that too. In other words, a breakdown in social structure, aided by the woke, liberal society we have today.
The government are at major fault for not picking up on the 2016 pandemic review. I would like to know who sat round that cabinet table, discussed the pros and cons, then wouldn't sign off the spend to put us in a safe position. That would be one or each of the PM, Chancellor and Health Minister. Journalists are at fault too for not pressing to see/find out the details of discussion for that/those meeting/s - probably too difficult for todays journo's ...

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Having lived in both countries I feel confident in saying that the general population of each has about the same level of deference to authority as one another. This is not to say that we’re identical - your yoof seem to have a strange fascination with really expensive footwear that never caught on over here (perhaps because it rains so much you spend a lot of time looking down) as well as stealing cars and barreling down the high street at maniacal speeds with the flashing blue lights giving chase behind them (why is that even a thing???)

But in terms of your government’s covid response - well your government cocked it up royally and continues to do so. Your ministers are an absolute embarrassment in dodging repeated direct questions whenever they are questioned about it. Any remotely ‘normal’ person would probably contemplate suicide after the shameful spectacle they put on.

And the numbers prove it. 100k deaths in the uk with a population of ~67 million vs Canada’s 20k deaths for a population of ~38 million. We have 1/5th your deaths with over half your population.

Our government has had its f*ck ups too. We sent the army in to senior’s long care homes to find the residents swimming in their own feces, after decades of criminally neglectful funding, privatization and deregulation. Our Ministers have also snuck off on holiday while wagging fingers at everyone else to stay home. But those that got caught were either sacked or resigned. Neither of us has pulled off an Australia/NZ, but your incompetent imbeciles are the worst. Nobody in the world envies your position. To deny it is to have a large sack over your head - and unfortunately it’s done f*ck all to prevent your covid.

... spot the difference ...
Area: England 130,000 sq km; Canada 9.9m sq km; Australia 7.7m sq km
Population: London 9m; Canada 40m; Australia 26m
Accepting some failures in the UK, it's much easier to control travel in Canada and Oz. Overcrowded living conditions in the UK must be a factor. ...