I strongly beg to differ, but don't want to set off another 5,000-post spatQuote:
Originally Posted by ramAnag
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I strongly beg to differ, but don't want to set off another 5,000-post spatQuote:
Originally Posted by ramAnag
Lol...sadly there’s a lot of Anglophobia in the World and a great deal of if can be found amongst the Scots, Irish and Welsh...and Europe, if Eurovision is anything to go by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy_Faber
Some of it is justified, some of it isn’t. The vast majority of English people I see abroad are fine, while others are unbelievably arrogant and rude.
Unfortunately history sees us portrayed as a nation of historical bully boys. Our football fans have often only encouraged that view and we do tend to have an over inflated view of our own importance...as Brexit perhaps serves to illustrate.
One question - Germany bought those 30 million doses last September, so how is that not in parallel with the EU procurement programme?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram59
One fact - the distribution of the vaccine within each country is a matter for the individual country, how is how fast that happens anything to do with the EU?
Your saying I post codswallop, coming from a supporter of Brexit who to date hasn't been able to come up with a single benefit of Brexit, and has in fact admitted that he can't be sure that there will be any, thats really very funny!
The Uk's good progress with the vaccine programme is to be admired, just shows what happens when the government allows the NHS (which you have also slagged off and said hospitals aren't busy in the recent past) to get on with the job.
And yes the government or whoever was responsible made some good decisions re choice of vaccine it has nothing to do being outside the constraints of the bureaucratic sloth of the EU, much as someone who voted for Brexit (without knowing the benefits!) is desperate to find something to say it is.
What it shows is (and I've never said anything to the contrary) this country can do many things well!
He pretends to ignore, but furiously thrashing under the bed clothes at night. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by swaledale
Busted
[QUOTE=swaledale;39682478]One question - Germany bought those 30 million doses last September, so how is that not in parallel with the EU procurement programme?
One fact - the distribution of the vaccine within each country is a matter for the individual country, how is how fast that happens anything to do with the EU?
So, your saying that Germany has got a stash of 30 million doses, but has decided either not to use them or is incapable of administering more doses in 4 weeks than the UK has in 3 days?
I hear that they're looking for new comedy acts at the BBC.
[QUOTE=Ram59;39682635]So you agree that Germany had a separate procurement programme alongside the EU one then? Just like to close these matters off, because you stated that wasn't possible, which clearly it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by swaledale
Where did I say that Germany has a stash of 30 million doses? They did however agree the procurement of 30 million last September in addition to those procured through the EU route.
It would indeed seem that the way the German government is administering the vaccine is not very efficient, apparently they are using an online booking system which people have to book slots, rather than contacting people as the NHS does. I'm amazed but there we go who knew that even the Germans were capable of **** ups?
There is also the issue that both firms producing the vaccine have slowed down production, whilst they do the necessary work to increase it - this means that there will reduced supplies for 2-3 weeks. Thats impacted on the EU, although it is also the case that they were slow to back the first vaccine that became available.
So if we deal with facts, yes the UK backed the right horse - or they did a good spread bet and ordered enough of a range of vaccines one of which was the first to be available. Yes the Germans are cocking up their vaccination programme and yes the EU partly due to not including the Phizer vaccine in their portfolio, partly due to them underordering and because the suppliers have slowed production temporarily do not have sufficient vaccine at the moment.
All in all the Uk has done well, but to say we could not have achieved this if we were in the EU is stretching reality more than a little, seeing as we could have had a separate procurement as the Germans did and we would still have had total control over the way the actual vaccination programme was organised.
Of course the EU gets things wrong, funnily enough so does the UK. In this I'd agree that the UK has done much better to date.
It seems you have swallowed without thought the way UK politicians blamed the EU for things, which have more often than not been within their ability to control over the last few decades, shame they won't be able to that anymore.
I wouldn’t especially trust Foxhole’s spin but the facts are correct, EU are getting a bit nasty on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds
Really? Lol...congratulations Andrew...you win the understatement of the day award...and it’s still not 10.00 am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy_Faber
Whatever spin you put on it, it's another dig and another example of EU bullying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy_Faber
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...izer-0mxxv3xbj
The German press spreading lies about the Oxford vaccine as well. The new China