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I suppose young uns being allowed to work here, contribute to the country for a 12 month limited period before having to return home with UK under 30s allowed to go the other way is a really terrible thing. I mean, look at the people who are against it...
And how many young ens, will be going to Europe, compared to Europeans coming here? The Eu has a 15% under 25's unemployment rate. The Med countries it runs at 40-50%Quote:
Originally Posted by MadAmster
All of them will again screw up, the UK employment, by denying school leavers options and encouraging employers to skimp on training to save money.
Total bollox for long term growth. But the EU loves this, as it ties you into the trap.
I just can't see why it's a bad thing. EU migration saw a positive contribution from those whi came here and I see no reason this won't be the same.
Farage is so against young people having these opportunities yet has ensured his children hold bot British and German passports so they can enjoy the benefit of free movement in future.
Sith, I don't know your back ground, but I worked in industry all my life. I progressed with engineering on the tools to running factorys etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by SithHappens
Up until around 2000, the UK industrially, had a very good training / apprenticeship system going for the young. Then the EU doors were flung open. Suddenly, company's found they had a glut of labour 10 years older than school leavers, who they didn't have to pay for to train and were happy to work for low wages.
Wonderful, until folks realised, that those so called kids had no where to go and slowly integrated into a life of benefits and woe.
Sure the companies loved it, but the state suddenly had a massive drain on tax payers and other problems like crime rise.
Short sighted bollox, that left this country addicted and vulnerable to imported labour to keep moving. Yet you can't see a problem?
It isn't about rich kids coming over for life experience, its much more serious than that.
As for the Farage jibe, you do realise his kids hold dual nationalities don't you? Their mother is German. Or is that a stigma you want to add to your list?
The fisheries. Socials are up in arms on this "giving our fishing rights away" destroying our fishing industry etc.
According to Phil Taylor, director of the marine conservation charity Open Seas, “The debate about the length of the fishing deal and the amount of access granted to EU boats is missing a key point, since some of the biggest UK fishing companies are EU owned, while a number of Scottish boats are still landing more than half their catch directly to the continent." Basically, we're not losing much at all.
If we didn't extend the deal, who'd fish our waters? The remains of the UK fleet, what's left of it?
We already have UK boats taking their catch directly to EU ports. Many of our boats are foreign owned. Where will they take their catch? Likely to still be EU ports as it is now.
Nothing's really changing, is it?
Fats forward 12 years. The deal is coming to the end of its life. Let's say we don't extend EU rights in UK waters, who's going to bring the fish home? Certainly not UK fleets as they are too small in number and capacity. We'd need new boats, new personnel, Who'll pay for them?
What I miss totally from all the online weeping and a wailing is a single constructive word about what should have been done to improve matters and who would fund it.
That's absolutely true, the deal will also enable UK shellfish to be sold into the EU after processing in the UK, shellfish being our biggest fish catch and 70% being sold into the EU.
What people don't realise is that UK fishing fleet owners sold their quota to foreign fishing fleet owners well before Brexit, I mean why wouldn't you give up a gruelling dangerous job, to retire with some nice cash?
Johnson's Brexit "deal" also meant that the UK's main fishing trawler based in I think Grimsby, was denied access to Norwegian waters without further negotiation which the Tory government tried but failed to reach and agreement on.
The new deal is an extension of existing quota's, not an addition but extend for 12 years to give more certainty.
Obviously in any deal one doesn't get entirely what one wants, but overall it seems positive, especially the removal of regulations by the EU on imported food which will reduce costs for exporters or actually allow many producers that had stopped, to export again.
That reads like an essay from someone too keen to submit and not fussed about content, sorry it doesn?t make sense. I?ll trust the Fishing industry assessment, and they think they?ve been shafted. Not saying there aren?t good bits in the deal as I?ve seenQuote:
Originally Posted by MadAmster
it, can?t see anything about easing the woes around one of my own interests, cross-border musician travel though
What doesn't make sense? The typo where I spelt fast incorrectly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy_Faber
There's some comment. There's some questions. It's not meant to be a comprehensive solution or explanation.
Here's the summary of the deal as written by SkyNews. Nothing in there to upset folk, IMO.
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-eu-tra...ement-13370912
It doesn’t read like an essay at all, basically because it’s only about 220 words long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy_Faber
What it reads like to me, is an intelligent contribution raising questions about the future of our fishing industry and querying the accuracy of some of the suggestions made about how that particular industry has been allegedly let down, or not, as the case may be.
Your reply reads like a pedant seeking to criticise for the sake of it and surely the planned general move towards reducing restrictions at border controls to pre Brexit levels will help ‘cross-border musician travel’ just as it will all travellers.
I'm rather amused by the faux rage expressed by SNP politics especially that smug Forbes moaning about fishing being shafted (which it hasn't) when the SNP wanted to remain in the EU and express the wish to join if Independence was achieved, which would mean the same or even worse conditions.
The fishing industry spokesmen would be frothing at the mouth whatever the deal, but given fishing is 0.03% of UK GDP and 70% gets sold abroad, with the easing on restrictions for export of other food stuffs is considerably greater value.