Is BREXIT F * C K E D?

I think it probably is.

There's no way Theresa May can go into negotiations now.....if her or Corbyn enter into the discussion room with Juncker and the rest of them we will get butt f k d by the Europeans.

It's the youth vote that has seen this election result happen and Labour know this and will want to keep the kids happy as they are the strength of that party now so I wouldn't be surprised to see either another BREXIT vote next year OR a very soft BREXIT with full and free movement of people still allowed.

What an unholy f c k up the "Liberal Elite" and career politicians have made of the last few months and years.

I don't like Corbyn and his politics at all but I take my hat off to him for his campaign.

There's no secret to it really,if you offer people giveaways and free cash they're likely to vote for you,students don't want to pay for their education and neither do their parents,most people want everything for nothing and so after years of austerity this is appealing.

Prepare yourself for the non existent BREXIT.

As these kids who voted labour grow older, they will wonder why they are paying so much tax when they finally pick up their first real wage packets. And people want 16 year olds to vote! I was still into subbuteo at that age. Can someone please turn the lights out when they leave.

Similarly if you offer people no hope for the future, no clear future directives without insulting the other side or any palpable change. Then you can't be surprised with the end result.

Just as you are blaming the 'Liberal Elites', I could just as easily blame the 'Extreme Right Wingers' who voted for Brexit which in reality created this chaos we are in now. It started a chain of events where Cameron reisgned, Our economy shrank, U-Turn Theresa took over and triggered article 50 and then called an election, how dumb is that? She did it purely in her own and her party's interest, not in the national interest.

She's a shambles and should resign immedietely.

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Originally Posted by WBA123

Similarly if you offer people no hope for the future, no clear future directives without insulting the other side or any palpable change. Then you can't be surprised with the end result.

Just as you are blaming the 'Liberal Elites', I could just as easily blame the 'Extreme Right Wingers' who voted for Brexit which in reality created this chaos we are in now. It started a chain of events where Cameron reisgned, Our economy shrank, U-Turn Theresa took over and triggered article 50 and then called an election, how dumb is that? She did it purely in her own and her party's interest, not in the national interest.

She's a shambles and should resign immedietely.

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Liberal Elite also inhabit Labour,it's not exclusive to the Tory Party.

I agree with much of your other musings though.

Bottom line is the fact that Cameron was pathetic when negotiating a better deal with the Europeans.

At the end of the day it's the free movement of people that has created this situation,nothing more and nothing less.

I expect free movement to now continue but it creates an interesting question concerning the youngsters who voted Labour yesterday,in 10-15 years from now when another 3-4 million people are living here and their youngsters are struggling to get school places and public services are under further pressure will they think back to today?

Nobody ever asks politicians the most important question about migration and that is......"even if we only allow 250,000 a year into Britain in 100 years there will be another 25 million people plus their children and in 400 years there will be another 100 million migrants plus their children so where do we put them all?

It has to stop at some point,we are an island so can you tell me 123 in which year we have to put an end to it because you can't out a quart in a pint pot?

250,000 a year for ever and ever!!??

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Originally Posted by rambaggie

As these kids who voted labour grow older, they will wonder why they are paying so much tax when they finally pick up their first real wage packets. And people want 16 year olds to vote! I was still into subbuteo at that age. Can someone please turn the lights out when they leave.

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yes ram very true.
I think corbyn has conned the younger generation, with free this and free that and the other,end of the day WE will all have to pay. Thers no such thing as a free meal.if something to good to be true it usually is.

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Originally Posted by mickd1961

Liberal Elite also inhabit Labour,it's not exclusive to the Tory Party.

I agree with much of your other musings though.

Bottom line is the fact that Cameron was pathetic when negotiating a better deal with the Europeans.

At the end of the day it's the free movement of people that has created this situation,nothing more and nothing less.

I expect free movement to now continue but it creates an interesting question concerning the youngsters who voted Labour yesterday,in 10-15 years from now when another 3-4 million people are living here and their youngsters are struggling to get school places and public services are under further pressure will they think back to today?

Nobody ever asks politicians the most important question about migration and that is......"even if we only allow 250,000 a year into Britain in 100 years there will be another 25 million people plus their children and in 400 years there will be another 100 million migrants plus their children so where do we put them all?

It has to stop at some point,we are an island so can you tell me 123 in which year we have to put an end to it because you can't out a quart in a pint pot?

250,000 a year for ever and ever!!??

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Well I don't see free movement of people within the EU as a big issue. Its proven that Europeans who do come here largely work and pay taxes and contribute to society and the economy, which helps towards the upkeep of healthcare and educational services. It is also a fact that me or you could live and work in another 27 countries under the current freedom of movement laws.

Free movement of people within Europe isn't the issue, most of the people who come here and do not contribute to the system are from outside of the EU. And us leaving the EU won't change the amount of people who come here from Somalia or Eritrea for example.

Closing the border will not help us improve our economy, many industries will fail without certain groups of migrants both skilled and unskilled. So we need a managed system.

250,000 people net is manageable in the foreseeable years, particularly if they are all working, contributing to society and the economy and it makes our country more prosperous. 100 years is a long time Mick and economies change, so I would expect there to be other superpowers globally or even in Europe where many migrants may be able to move to. Don't deprive our future generations the opportunity to travel, work, live, love and enjoy other countries and other cultures.

Brexit, in my opnion, internationally isolates us and makes us worse off. I'd like the UK to be a respected member of the international community with a booming economy. I think Brexit takes us further away from being in that position.

The political pundits are pouring over the election results as to the reasons why we are in the situation we are in. As far as I'm concerned the main reason is the 'young vote', not for any altruistic reasons but purely and simply because Corbyn has promised to right off their debts and not to charge tuition fees. Let's be honest, if I was an 18 year old about to go to University or a thirty year old who has a £30,000 debt I'd be voting for him! The big question is, where's he going to get the money from??? This is along with all the other 'goodies' he's promising. He states he's budgeted for it. Did he go to the Diane Abbott School of Maths?

I will admit that the Tories didn't run a good campaigne but I think Theresa May is right to continue as there are no other serious options. What a lot of people forget is that she did win 62 more seats than Labour! As for the Labour Party wanting to form a government, they're living 'La la Land'.

I'm amazed we are where we are, didn't think there was a chance of a hung parliament until the exit polls last night.

Truthfully, it is a mess. And you have to say Theresa May was the key contributor to where we are now. I agree with you Labour probably fell a few seats short of being able to form a government.

As a die hard Tory LB, can I ask you if you are happy with TM negotiating Brexit?

In terms of the financials of Labours manifesto, it was costed and clearly thought through. I can't say the same for the Tory one, they completely took voters for granted and are paying the price for it.

I think the only thing we agree on is that whoever runs the country must must put Britain and all its people first. Not just the elite or the dole scroungers but everyone. At least the SNP have had their wings clipped in this election.

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Originally Posted by WBA123

I'm amazed we are where we are, didn't think there was a chance of a hung parliament until the exit polls last night.

Truthfully, it is a mess. And you have to say Theresa May was the key contributor to where we are now. I agree with you Labour probably fell a few seats short of being able to form a government.

As a die hard Tory LB, can I ask you if you are happy with TM negotiating Brexit?

In terms of the financials of Labours manifesto, it was costed and clearly thought through. I can't say the same for the Tory one, they completely took voters for granted and are paying the price for it.

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I am a die hard Tory now but I have voted Labour in the past, mind you that was pre Tony Blair. To answer your question, of course I'm happy for Theresa May to negotiate. Who else? Just because we have a hung parliament it doesn't alter my opinions of Corbyn and his far left cronies. They aren't ready for it and the Tories are. As I 've said before, the only reason Corbyn did so well are his fantasy promises to all and sundry. It's very easy to run a country when you're not in power and promise the world. Wake up Britain and don't fall for his 'jackanories'.