I'm not giving you one; I want one from you >:)
I'm a little in the dark about whether there's still an appeal case going on, or whether the deal has died completely?
What is this thing about Castore?
Thanks to anyone taking their time.
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I'm not giving you one; I want one from you >:)
I'm a little in the dark about whether there's still an appeal case going on, or whether the deal has died completely?
What is this thing about Castore?
Thanks to anyone taking their time.
Saudis pulled out, fatso wants compensation from the cartel.
I think the Saudis are still very much in although their interest will end if we're relegated, imo. Even the Government were convinced the deal was going through until the PL got cold feet so hopefully arbitration will smoke out the reasons behind that.
I'd stopped thinking about it-partly because there's no point torturing yourself about something that's out of your hands and looks unlikely to happen- but also because our chances of relegation were increasing in inverse proportion to the way the chances of the takeover happening were decreasing.
It's not dead in the water yet but if we get relegated, I think the court case will become about compensation for fatso (if it's not about that already).
Beautiful, thanks.
I have mixed feelings about the deal not going through to be honest, but I want to prevent this from becoming a political discussion - I think we've been through that before :-)
But are we actually, in any way, assured that heavy investment in the squad and club in general will be made if the takeover goes through? Is there a plan for the running of the club laid forward somewhere?
all the recent news is because of the arbitration hearing now underway and a journalist used the freedom of information act to get documents released from the government showing the PL had consulted them and others regarding the takeover.
Th Government told the PL that Bin Salman was separate from PIF and this obviously wasnt in the plan.
The PL even responded to the government stating they will just keep them hanging on without a decision and turned the phrase "like the grand old duke of york" meaning they will march them to the top of the hill and down again.
After this has come out, Amnesty and the anti Saudi bunch including the piece of **** Luke Edwards have taken to the press highlighting the human rights **** again etc.
Luke Edwards actually gets off on things going badly for us. He posted today saying news that MBS asked Boris to intervene is a massive own goal. Yet the entire thing has been denied by Boris and MBS so someone is telling fibs or someone is trying to stir up the toon fans. Strange thing is, theres no written proof that MBS asked Boris to intervene but all the stuff relating to the PL being corrupt and not following their own process has a written trail
Evening Peeps,
just this atmo,
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-56757906
Does anyone have any clarity on arbitration. I've read several stories tonight, and they are all different with regards to the arbitrition. They range from, it's been going on for a few weeks to they haven't even started yet.One suggested it was not going to start for weeks to come. Is everybody just guessing? It's the only explaination.
A decent balanced piece from Jason Burt of the Telegraph.
Why did the Premier League delay the Newcastle takeover, what's changed and will a second bid land on the table?
Jason Burt, who broke story of Newcastle's £305m deal collapse, examines what Boris Johnson's involvement in takeover talks means for club
By
Jason Burt,
CHIEF FOOTBALL CORRESPONDENT
15 April 2021 • 1:18pm
The proposed £305 million takeover of Premier League Newcastle United by a Saudi Arabian-backed consortium collapsed last year after the group declined to take up the Premier League's offer of independent arbitration to decide who would own the club.
It has now emerged that Boris Johnson reportedly acted on a personal plea from Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, with the Prime Minister urged to "correct and reconsider" a "wrong" decision by the Premier League, which was accused of blocking the takeover of the club. But where does this all leave the takeover, Newcastle United and the future of the club?
What does the latest news means?
Beyond the political row, and legitimate questions as to why the Prime Minister reportedly involved himself, nothing has changed in terms of the potential takeover of Newcastle United. It can still be revived and the club’s owner Mike Ashley is not speaking to any other bidder. The Sports Direct owner, who was paid a £15million deposit, is determined to sell to the consortium led by financier Amanda Staveley and involving her firm, PCP Capital Partners, the Reuben Brothers and the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia which would take an 80 per cent stake.
Amanda Staveley is the public face of the Saudi-led Newcastle takeover.
It was known that Boris Johnson had taken an interest – that was clear from the email he sent the Newcastle United Supporters Trust last August when he said there should be “clarity” on why there was such a delay by the Premier League on the decision over whether the Owners and Directors Test had been passed. What was not known is the level of that involvement with Johnson reportedly being lobbied by the Saudi crown prince Mohammed Bin Salman and also allegedly asking a senior No10 aid, Lord Eddie Lister – who is a Middle East expert – to take up the complaint.
It is clear from the persistence of the Government and the tone of their emails how sensitive they regarded the whole issue and the potential ramifications for Middle East trade and relations. There was also the on going concern over human rights, the geo-politics of the region – with the proxy war against Qatar – and the complication as to whether the piracy of Premier League broadcast rights was state-sponsored by the Saudis. They denied this but a World Trade Organisation report concluded otherwise. There had also been murmurings of complaints from other Premier League clubs.
We also already know that there was a high-level meeting after the Saudis withdrew the £305million bid in frustration between the various parties, including the Premier League, and that this also ended without resolution. It is unclear who brokered the meeting but it may have involved the Foreign Office at some level.
Whether the latest news hampers or hinders the bid remains to be seen. It will be argued it, again, shows that it is state-backed while PIF continue to argue it remains a separate investment vehicle making independent decisions.
In short this is a fiendishly complicated saga.
Why did the Premier League drag their heels so long?
It depends who you believe on this one. The Premier League will argue they did not drag their heels but the fact is taking more than 17 weeks to decide whether the nominated directors from the new owners passed the organisation’s owners and directors test is unusual. The Premier League will claim otherwise but while there may have been some delay because of the pandemic – remember the bid was formally submitted while football was shutdown last year and no-one knew when it would re-start and at what cost – that does not explain how incredibly long it took not to make a decision.
It is evident from the emails sent by the Department for Digital, Culture Media and Sport that government officials felt a decision was “imminent” on more than one occasion (and The Daily Telegraph understands this to be the case) and the Premier League also appeared to indicate that it was close – although it then qualified that by adding there could be yet more delays.
Certainly the bidders thought it was close and also, despite the controversy, despite the accusations of broadcast piracy, believed the bid would be approved. Time and again the argument was put forward that the UK government did business with Saudi Arabia and so the Saudis should be allowed to be part of buying a Premier League football club.
The Daily Telegraph eventually revealed that there was an “impasse” with concerns over the ownership structure and who will have the final say in the decision-making process. It transpired that the buyers were struggling to satisfy the Premier League which wanted greater clarity regarding the link between the PIF and the Saudi state.
The Premier League was reportedly unconvinced by the argument that the PIF is independent despite the crown prince being the fund’s chairman. Three-fifths of the Newcastle board was to be made up of Saudi representatives led by Yasir Al-Rumayyan who is the governor of the PIF.
Once that story was published the bid was quickly withdrawn despite Amanda Staveley insisting they had answered all the questions from the Premier League which wrote to Newcastle and said it had provisionally decided that the PIF is “controlled” by the Saudi state meaning it “would become a director of the club”. This caused a great deal of anger and confusion.
What are the chances of it being back on the table?
High. Very high. In fact it can be argued it was never really ‘off the table’ despite the Saudis formally withdrawing in anger. The key now is not the row over political lobbying but the forthcoming Premier League arbitration hearing which has been instigated by Newcastle and the club’s owner Mike Ashley. At the height of the deadlock arbitration, available through the Premier League’s rulebook, it was offered to the bidders but they were worried about the independence of the process. Since then it has been formally asked for by Newcastle to query the Premier League’s decision-making but – as yet – the private hearing has not taken place.
Mike Ashley remains committed to the deal and the buyers have not walked away.
It was due to happen in February but we are now into April and it remains shrouded in secrecy. In saying that we do know who will be on the three-man panel after Newcastle revealed the club had been unsuccessful in a High Court bid to remove Michael Beloff QC as chairman alleging that he could be “biased” as he had previously advised the Premier League in relation to a potential change to its owners and directors test.
The ruling was made public and revealed former Supreme Court Judge Lord David Neuberger – who was chosen by Newcastle - and former Master of the Rolls Lord John Dyson – who was selected by the Premier League - have also been selected to sit on the panel. It was also revealed by Newcastle that it was “considering whether or not to pursue an appeal” which may further delay the arbitration hearing.
The Newcastle legal team is led by Nick de Marco QC who has a strong track record in winning legal cases in football. If he is successful with this one it will be a significant embarrassment to the Premier League and will pile pressure on its chief executive Richard Masters. It is also expected to lead to the bid being re-submitted and, given Newcastle appear to have escaped relegation, on similar terms to the £305million offer that was accepted. There may be some re-negotiated given the delay and the continued financial effects of the pandemic but Mike Ashley remains committed to the deal and the buyers have not walked away.
If they lose the arbitration hearing then it gets more complicated. It is understood that part of the agreement to undertake the process is to accept its ruling but such is Ashley’s determination to win he may pursue other legal routes if he loses. There is also the possibility of legal action being taken by Newcastle fans who, through the Newcastle Consortium Supporters Ltd, have already submitted a Letter Before Action to the Premier League.
The saga may continue.
Thanks Geordie, that's a good, informative article.