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On BBC2, just seen the first two episodes, absolutely shocking documentary in the literal sense of the word. What a fecking mess we made of that, this should be required viewing for everyone in the West, and it's a salutary lesson for anyone gullible enough to still think our politicians actually know what they're doing.
And all predicated on a lie sinkov. We need this sort of politician who actually thinks we have no right to meddle in the sovereign affairs of other nations...Quote:
Originally Posted by sinkov
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Wouldn't have made any difference BT, the Yanks were going to remove Saddam with our help or without it. Watching the disaster slowly unfold I actually have some some sympathy for the American troops on the ground. There's no running water, no electricity, law and order has broken down, widespread looting, the police have disappeared, the infrastructure is destroyed and the American lads are stood there in their Star Wars gear clearly thinking, WTF are we supposed to do now. Then the Yanks send in Paul Bremer and he immediately makes it ten times worse. It really is one of those 'you couldn't make it up' stories. And credit to the BBC, I've not got a lot of time for them any more, but they've come up with a classic of it's kind with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier
Ah the Blessed St Jezebel of Islington. I find it odd that for someone who avowedly believes we have no right to interfere in the sovereign affairs of other nations his “friends” in Hezbollah with their Iranian masters spend so much of their time doing precisely that. Of course they are not anti-Semitic they tell us it’s just Zionism they oppose and you will see this same theme from the political outpourings of Black Lives Matter to the social media ranting of the rapper Wiley. BT it isn’t just what the media report that we listen to it is what people and organisations say and do themselves. Countries whose peoples should be free like Iran and Lebanon and Syria and Yemen are not. They have fallen on Hard Times a thousand times worse than a Dickensian novel and you really have to grieve for that. Jeremy is neither saint nor sinner in reality but you will keep holding him up as a model for us all to admire.
Corbyn would never have sanctioned the death of almost a million Iraqis despite what you say outwood.Quote:
Originally Posted by outwoodclaret
He pleaded with Cameron not to bomb Syria, he railed against Blair taking us into a war on a false premise and he reminded the media recently that the US still has more troops in Afghanistan than when that particular conflict kicked off again.
Remember this..?
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In August 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait and threatened to attack Israel with various types of weapons, including non-conventional ordnance. For the first time in Israel's history, the entire country faced a real threat of destruction.
After the end of his war with Iran, Saddam Hussein had a huge, battle wise army sitting idle and his threats to "burn half of Israel" had to be taken seriously. The IDF was concerned at the availability to Saddam Hussein of considerable quantities of Russian-made Scud missiles with a range of 600 kms., against which no effective countermeasure was as yet in Israel's arsenal; particularly if those missiles were to be equipped with chemical warheads, which Saddam was reputed to have perfected with the help of German companies.
In August 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait and threatened to attack Israel with various types of weapons, including non-conventional ordnance, with the declared aim of destroying a significant part of the country. For the first time in Israel's history, the entire country faced a real threat of destruction with non-conventional weapons. At the same time, a strong international coalition formed, under the leadership of the US, to counter the Iraqi attacks.
On the night of 17/18 January, 1991, Coalition air forces attacked Iraq. In response, Iraq fired salvos of ground-to-ground missiles into Israel. Over a period of more than 1 month, approximately 38 Iraqi versions of Scud missiles fell (33 El Hussein missiles and 5 El Tijara missiles) in 19 missile attacks. These missiles mainly hit the greater Tel-Aviv region and Haifa, although western Samaria and the Dimona area were also hit by missiles. Directly, these attacks caused 2 civilian deaths, although indirectly, they caused the following casualties: 4 heart attacks, 7 deaths as a result of incorrect use of biological/chemical warfare kits, 208 injured, 225 cases of unnecessary injection of atropine. Damage to general property consisted of 1,302 houses, 6142 apartments, 23 public buildings, 200 shops and 50 cars.
On that night the air raid sirens went off about 7 pm.I think the TV was interrupted,saying missile attack? I went out side and saw the first two missiles What were they aiming for ? The industrial area of Haifa Bay ? Or a defence establishment not far away from were I lived.One rocket landed in the sea and another I saw a white /orange light ,thinking it could be chemicals, the following night I never went out to look.We launched the Patriot missiles we had ,( and that was scary!), it created a huge terrific ''Bang',on being fired,perhaps more scary than the actual Scud hitting a target? I remember by day all was normal,but in the evening or the night, out would come Iraq's Scuds. Israeli pilots were told not to attack,they sat in their aircraft grounded, as US, British, French aircraft etc, would all be in the Iraqi skies. Strange Iraq was firing it's 38 Scuds at us and we could not go out to defend ourselves!