I’ll sort the above out when I get home rA, I think you’ll find that any comments which had both footy and O/T comments were copied rather than moved but I’ll stand corrrcted
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The great irony of all these woke targets (to use a probably wrong phrase) is that by recognising the rights of (a) you often have to take away the rights of another group (b). Example: Recognition of trans MtoF rights to assert their chosen gender often creates a problem for women - in terms of their non acceptance of the new members of their gender in refuges, sports or simply toilets in clubs.
It sort of sems to me that hetero***ual women are the group most negatively impacted by woke culture. eg a woman finally escapes from abusive relationship with man, gets place in refuge only to find she is sharing that refuge by someone who is (at least birth biologically) in her eyes male. That cannot be good
Look no further than the witch hunt of JK Rowling, for daring to not pamper to the rabid obssession of these loons.
For daring to claim that a woman is a term to describe a female, not a person who "menstrates".
You couldn't make this **** up, you really couldn't.
What does she get for her opinion? abuse/ calls for her head/cancellation/outcast
Its beyond ridiculous and actually the worst of misogyny going.
For daring to seperate a biological female from a trans.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/06/...y-of-the-woke/
Bonkers
Hmmm...but, as Swale has already suggested, all you two are doing is referring to the extremes and they’re indicative of nothing.
Of course there will be issues and of course there will be individuals who overreact but, by and large, if being ‘woke’ equates to having a social conscience, an ability to empathise and a desire for social justice...then count me unashamedly in.
My comment was entirely about football, AF. It was the source of GP’s ‘Brighton based joke’ which had nothing to do with me.
The fact that my ‘New signings’ observation was in some way the beginning of comments about ‘woke’ has been entirely down to GP and yourself.
Oh yes it did rA, you know you provoked me! My comment was not woke, some might say the opposite. So let us all hold our hands up, deny original authorship and blame it on, umm DCFCA - the universal scapegoat!
PS how long before we need a minister for drought amongst this heatwave?
Right lets just step back and think about this a minute.
Yes "woke" targets is the wrong phrase - not every person who campaigns for change is doing it because they are "woke", it might be convenient for a Tory party weak on actual government to lump these things together as woke lefty ideology, but for an person capable of sentient thought its clear that this is complicated and that pretending that the reality does not exist is not a way of managing it.
Transgender is a specific issue thats a hot topic right now and its a complicated subject, it needs proper adult debate and consideration of what is required to accommodate those who are genuinely suffering from gender issues.
Its not "woke" culture that is threatening heters exual women. There isno such thing as woke culture for a start, its an aggressive pressure group not being challenged enough by those in authority, that happens a lot in many areas of human activity.
Its wrong to think that because weight is given to a section of the population that this means you take away the rights of another group - yes there may have to be compromise, after all if there are for example 100 places each year for Cambridge university and previously these all went to public school educated students. Widening the admission to include those from state school is inevitably going to mean that less public school students will get in.
The same can equally be said about non "woke" pressure - as in the banning of abortion - impacts negatively on women, the refusal to control guns, impacts negatively on all those who ahve been killed by guns.
The reality is that any change in law, or behaviour or rules etc. can have an impact, that can be negative and it can be pushed on society by single interest pressure groups from across the political spectrum. That has nothing to do with being woke, which on the whole is about fairness, justice and avoiding discrimination wherever possible.
The term woke, as defined elsewhere here and on more trusted places on the internet, original meant roughly as you suggest, and nowt wrong with people who are 'woke' in that manner. Just nice, kind, thoughtful folk youmight say
However, the term was initially hijacked by those who combined their view on social justice with an uncompromising, often unpleasant and mob mentalty response to anyone with a different view. As a response to that, the term was gradually takenover by those who DID have a different view, be it considered, extreme or nuanced and has developed from a complimentary to derogatory term. The majority of 'woke' ideology comes from what you would call 'the left'. The equivalent from the right is just referred to I guess as 'extremist'
The phrase 'overwoking' was invented by me just for Swales' benefit - despite his protestations to the contrary his wokeness let him down when he assumed, and made an issue of, a comment about crossdressing. His repeated and lengthy attempts to clarify show his sensitivity to being rumbled but in other settings (ie facebook/twitter) there could have been a cast of thousands of 'the Woke' baying for blood of the O/P of the comment.