London fire

[soulman101]

Such a tragic loss of lives.Profit before safety?
Can't beleave that nobody brought the safety issues of this product. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

[soulman101]

£2 a panel for the fire proof cladding,they saved or should i say made an extra £5k profit. https://uk.yahoo.com/news/just-5000-...092130350.html

[regis80]

It absolutely shocks me that there has not been a single response to this thread about this tragic incident in London. Have we really got to such a low level of inhumanity that had this incident happened in a predominately white neighborhood we'd have more outcry on here?

I really hope that those responsible and guilty of this tragedy face the full wrath of the law. People before profit, never should it be the other way round!

[WBA123]

It absolutely shocks me that there has not been a single response to this thread about this tragic incident in London. Have we really got to such a low level of inhumanity that had this incident happened in a predominately white neighborhood we'd have more outcry on here?

I really hope that those responsible and guilty of this tragedy face the full wrath of the law. People before profit, never should it be the other way round!

I've purposely stayed away from the subject on here Regis because it's a tragedy and I wasnt sure its appropriate saying what I felt from a political viewpoint. But maybe I should, ultimately heads will roll and an inquest will find where the failures are. I don't think people haven't responded because of anything to do with race or wealth. Two things that spring to my mind immedietely are;

1. Our current govt are so keen on cutting everything that its obvious that we as a society will not be as safe than when they came into power in 2010. If you cut thousands upon thousands of police, nurses, doctors and firefighters...we will live in a more unsafe world. Thats a given

2. What always bugs me, is when I read or hear people talk about 'red tape'. Yes, we all have health, safety and other rules to follow in virtually every job, and yes they can be a massive pain in the arse. But guess what, 'Red Tape' is there for a reason and its usually to prevent accidents and save lives. So think about that next time you hear a politician talking about it, or a newspaper tells you there is too much regulation involved in something.

I only hope lessons are learned and nothing like this happens again. Unfortunately we have already had warnings with two other fires in high rise flats in London and the results were 'recommendations' for management companies. Lets hope this time they take it a bit more seriously

[Albionic68]

I've purposely stayed away from the subject on here Regis because it's a tragedy and I wasnt sure its appropriate saying what I felt from a political viewpoint. But maybe I should, ultimately heads will roll and an inquest will find where the failures are. I don't think people haven't responded because of anything to do with race or wealth. Two things that spring to my mind immedietely are;

1. Our current govt are so keen on cutting everything that its obvious that we as a society will not be as safe than when they came into power in 2010. If you cut thousands upon thousands of police, nurses, doctors and firefighters...we will live in a more unsafe world. Thats a given

2. What always bugs me, is when I read or hear people talk about 'red tape'. Yes, we all have health, safety and other rules to follow in virtually every job, and yes they can be a massive pain in the arse. But guess what, 'Red Tape' is there for a reason and its usually to prevent accidents and save lives. So think about that next time you hear a politician talking about it, or a newspaper tells you there is too much regulation involved in something.

I only hope lessons are learned and nothing like this happens again. Unfortunately we have already had warnings with two other fires in high rise flats in London and the results were 'recommendations' for management companies. Lets hope this time they take it a bit more seriously

Very damning news regarding a failure to act on the Lakanal Report (2013) which was compiled following the fire at Lakanal Tower in 2009 (Lambeth) .

http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/london/wes...rt-four-years/

Coroner's recommendations following the Lakanal Inquiry linked below.

https://tinyurl.com/yac6tpev

As stated by Soulman, fire retardant cladding would only have cost £5,000 more.

https://tinyurl.com/ydgogswu

Terrible, terrible and needless tragedy.

[Albionic68]

It absolutely shocks me that there has not been a single response to this thread about this tragic incident in London. Have we really got to such a low level of inhumanity that had this incident happened in a predominately white neighborhood we'd have more outcry on here?

I really hope that those responsible and guilty of this tragedy face the full wrath of the law. People before profit, never should it be the other way round!

With the very greatest of respect I think that you're way off kilter here.

I make no apologies for not having commented on this terrible tragedy sooner.

Posters are not morally obliged to pass comments in the first instance, and in the second I haven't even been on the site since the thread began.

Out of respect for those directly affected by this tragedy I will pass no further comment regarding your initial suggestion.

However, I wholeheartedly agree with your last two sentences.

Those responsible should be brought to justice and people should always come before profit in instances such as these.

RIP to those who have passed and to those who may join them.

Deepest condolences to their loved ones, to their friends and the very best of wishes to the survivors.

[Leicesterbaggie]

I too Regis80 endorse your final two sentences but I urge everybody to keep politics out of this awful tragedy. Don't satanise Theresa May for not meeting survivors and their families as many of her critics are doing. She is the PM and it was correct for her to meet and talk with the professionals to ascertain the whole situation and how to proceed. On the other side of the coin Jeremy Corbyn is being portrayed as 'St Jeremy' because he visited some of the survivors and family members and put his arms around them. She has got a lot on her plate at present what with Brexit and these tragedies that have hit our country. For goodness sake, give her some slack.

[stripes39]

The comments about the cost per panel are interesting and the suggestion that a fire-proof option would have cost £5K more. It seems a lot of people are blaming the contractor but isn't it the body issuing the tender who determine what is acceptable and who then sign it off?

I work in the data protection industry and a couple of years back my company went to a lot of expense submitting a tender for managing the confidential data of a large NHS Trust. Long story short, we met every stipulation in the contract and were one of only two serious contenders to provide what they required. The tender eventually got awarded to a company who we knew did not have the capability to deliver what the tender asked for. I met with a senior person from this NHS trust to ascertain why they had awarded a contract to a company that would put them in danger of a data security breach and who could not meet their security criteria. They explained that the tender was effectively a wish list which in an ideal world they would get for the budget they had. They explained that they had to greatly compromise even their own regulations as with what they wanted they simply did not have the finances to put in place an adequate solution with their budget.

So, if NHS trusts are having to use cheap-jack options that are not fit for purpose due to budget cuts, my guess is councils are doing likewise with construction projects in areas where they can cut costs. I might be wrong but it would not suprise me.

[baggieal]

I too Regis80 endorse your final two sentences but I urge everybody to keep politics out of this awful tragedy. Don't satanise Theresa May for not meeting survivors and their families as many of her critics are doing. She is the PM and it was correct for her to meet and talk with the professionals to ascertain the whole situation and how to proceed. On the other side of the coin Jeremy Corbyn is being portrayed as 'St Jeremy' because he visited some of the survivors and family members and put his arms around them. She has got a lot on her plate at present what with Brexit and these tragedies that have hit our country. For goodness sake, give her some slack.

I could not agree more with this post! Corbyn will resort to any tactics whether it's to offer free tuition fees to putting his arms around these survivors in London. Perhaps Corbyn should put his arms around those same families who have been blown up by the IRA. Different then!

Whether the area is white of black, is irrelevant as any loss of life to innocent people is absolutely tragic. Again Corbyn spouting all this nonsense about the two different divides of Kensington is crazy! I for one, would not be jealous whatsoever of anybody living in a London mansion - good luck to them as they most likely have worked for any assets or had luck on the way. It happens. Giving and being generous comes from the heart whether you have 1 pound or 5 million. Fair play to people like Rita Ora and Adele going back to their roots, and helping out.

[WBA1955]

I've purposely stayed away from the subject on here Regis because it's a tragedy and I wasnt sure its appropriate saying what I felt from a political viewpoint. But maybe I should, ultimately heads will roll and an inquest will find where the failures are. I don't think people haven't responded because of anything to do with race or wealth. Two things that spring to my mind immedietely are;

1. Our current govt are so keen on cutting everything that its obvious that we as a society will not be as safe than when they came into power in 2010. If you cut thousands upon thousands of police, nurses, doctors and firefighters...we will live in a more unsafe world. Thats a given

2. What always bugs me, is when I read or hear people talk about 'red tape'. Yes, we all have health, safety and other rules to follow in virtually every job, and yes they can be a massive pain in the arse. But guess what, 'Red Tape' is there for a reason and its usually to prevent accidents and save lives. So think about that next time you hear a politician talking about it, or a newspaper tells you there is too much regulation involved in something.

I only hope lessons are learned and nothing like this happens again. Unfortunately we have already had warnings with two other fires in high rise flats in London and the results were 'recommendations' for management companies. Lets hope this time they take it a bit more seriously