Amber Rudd

[Altobelli]

I know you touched on it earlier this morning BT, but I think this needs another thread.

What are we paying these Politicians for ?

Mrs may says she don’t know what to do

Her cabinet don’t know what to do

They don’t know what to do as they don’t run the country, we pay advisors to advise these morons what to do.

So basically we are being Governed by people who need to be advised by others.

But not doing your job properly is another matter, and just shows how bad they actually are in their positions.

We have seen it before with Boris Johnson telling another colleague on TV to "Get Stuffed" when he was made to look silly by talking about something out of his backside.

Home Secretary Amber Rudd has released a new strategy for tackling knife killings, Rudd insisted that a recent rise in violent crime, including a high-profile series of murders in London, was not connected to police funding cuts, yet her own Department in February released a document saying it WAS, Rudd apparently has been working on her new strategy for months (TELL US ANOTHER ONE AMBER) yet failed to see this, or ignored it, does not matter which of the 2 it may have been, they are both bad failings from someone in a high position who is supposed to keep us safe. then she has the gall to say "I think that you do a disservice to the communities and the families by making this a political tit-for-tat about police numbers.”

Inspector Damian O’Reilly was named Britain’s community policeman of the year in 2010, but quit his dream role after he could no longer stomach the affect of government policy.

He warned that swingeing cuts to Greater Manchester Police’s funding were "cutting away at the muscle" of the force and said savings were leaving officers feeling "undervalued".

"I have worked in inner city Manchester for 15 years," Insp O'Reilly told Mrs May at a Police Federation conference in 2015.

"I felt passionate about what I was doing but in 2010 I had to leave. I couldn't take it any more because the changes that have been imposed have caused community policing to collapse".

"Intelligence has dried up. There aren't local officers, they don't know what's happening. They're all reactive, there's no proactive policing locally. That is the reality ma'am."

Teresa May sat impassive listening to someone on the front line yet went ahead with the cuts.

I said at the time of all the cuts to Fire Brigade, Police, Hospitals, Military and their buildings that it would come back and bite us in the backside, it has in a Big way.

We all know of the absurd stupidity, lies and deceit about Brexit which has happened and is still happening, but this is about safety on our streets, knife murders happening all to often with youth's who have nothing to fear as there is little to stop them, for me its a Major Crisis which needs addressing asap, but these misfits in charge who apparently don't know their arse from their elbow seem inept to the challenge, they are a disgrace of the highest order and should be ashamed of themselves, I've seen better strategy, integrity, honesty and compassion on Spitting Image.

The majority of the youngsters in this Country are not being taught well by the actions or non actions of our Government, there is no leadership or honesty from any quarter, its a deep dark pit that they and all of us are being led down.

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[The Bedlington Terrier]

Rudd has just done a Wenger at his finest, referring to the leaked emails that says cutting our Bobbies by 20,000 is probably accounting for the rise in crime she "didn't see it!"

Wenger never saw this one either...

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[sinkov]

This top copper, moaning about cuts, he left in 2010 disillusioned he said. We were in the 13th year of a Labour government in 2010. Top coppers are just as PC obsessed as any politician, some even more, they have to be to keep their jobs, and just as culpable for the shambles policing is today as any politician, I wouldn't listen to a word any of them say.

And they can whine and whinge about cuts in Police numbers all they want, it has nothing to do with the current spate of black kids being murdered on the streets of London. That rise co-incided precisely with the reduction in stop and search, but as politicians and senior police were all in agreement that stop and search had to be drastically reduced, they desperately cast about for a scapegoat, and 'police cuts' fits the bill perfectly.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Don't forget my Labour roots sinkov.

The police want no job losses, they want their overly inflated pensions and no job losses and no redundancies.

For once I am in UNISON with you on this one.

This is the perfect opportunity to say we "Told you so!"

Now we have the dilemma. Do we protect civil liberties or go back to stopping and searching without due cause?

[sinkov]

" Do we protect civil liberties or go back to stopping and searching without due cause? "

"At least 35 people have been fatally stabbed in London since the beginning of the year.
Met Police records show 37, 443 recorded knife offences and 6,694 recorded gun offences across the UK in the year up to September 2017. In London, the problem was even more pronounced than the rest of the country, with 12,980 knife crimes taking place in the capital - 2,452 more than the equivalent year. Four ****agers were stabbed to death in London on New Year's Eve alone, and 22 were killed in March - meaning the capital now has a higher murder rate than New York"

I suppose it depends on your definition of 'due cause' BT, but the above seems cause enough to me. Or do black lives not matter ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

To answer your question I fully researched the fatalities and alleged perpetrators.

The mix is certainly young black males.

In the short term, I believe the Bobbies need to get pro-active and start nabbing the knives!

All lives matter!

[sinkov]

Then we're in agreement.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Oddly, yes!

[Altobelli]

Each to their own Sinkov, I respect your view but do not agree with it.

When was the last time you saw a Policeman walking the beat, not in the Cities but in the district ? Police numbers have been cut below the bone to the detriment of not just Knife crime but muggings, car theft and Burglaries, there have been many stories of folk being burgled and Police not being able to respond for hours because of lack of numbers, only last month a woman with her child phoned saying someone had broken in and was ransacking upstairs in the bedrooms, the Police responded over an hour later, its the same with Ambulance staff with stories that are unbelievable in this day and age, yet nothing is done.

I'm not saying increasing Police numbers will alter knife crime, but Police presence for me does make a difference, not to mention more numbers being able to at least be nearby to catch these killers.

There is no talking to the neighbourhood anymore, the Police are blind because of falling numbers, the general public are on their own with no where to turn, and when you do make that call you are put on hold.

Amber Rudd's denial that falling Police numbers are not a factor in rising Crime is absurd, if falling Police numbers are not to blame for Crime then why do we need Police at all, and I'm not being facetious, its a serious observation.

Swamp streets with Police numbers, get them in the Schools and Youth Clubs talking to locals, stop this PC Schite and apply stop and search and revamp the laws to fit the crime.

[1959_60]

I'm with Alto on this.

a police presence is,

A/. A deterrent to would be criminals.
B/. A reassurance to ordinary people.
C/. The best way to gather local intelligence.

Community policing needs ramping up - with more stop and searches in problem areas.

Sinkov and Rudd are in denial here.

OF COURSE losing all those policemen/women is certain to make a difference.