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Thread: Ex managers

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    Ex managers

    We seem to want to change managers every few months because fans/owners think they are no good but several aren't doing to bad since leaving us.
    Cooper's FGR are in the play offs, Curle has taken Northampton away from the relegation zone and even Sheridan although now at Chesterfield did an excellent job at Carlisle.
    Is it always the managers fault?

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    If every team in the league was managed by a Klopp or Guardiola half of them would finish in the bottom half of the table and some would be relegated. Of them some would be sacked. It's a competitive business and you are judged on results which don't always reflect your own skills. Shame Notts haven't learnt this - choose a competent person and give them support and time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchmagpie View Post
    If every team in the league was managed by a Klopp or Guardiola half of them would finish in the bottom half of the table and some would be relegated. Of them some would be sacked. It's a competitive business and you are judged on results which don't always reflect your own skills. Shame Notts haven't learnt this - choose a competent person and give them support and time.
    Yes, but its always been a competative business. I don't recall in my lifetime (60+ years) any team wanting to lose or to end up relegated, but I'm sure this give em 6-8 games then sack them mentality didn't go on a few decades ago. I know its big money now but not for the teams in L1 and L2, so whats caused it to change so much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottsco2002 View Post
    Yes, but its always been a competative business. I don't recall in my lifetime (60+ years) any team wanting to lose or to end up relegated, but I'm sure this give em 6-8 games then sack them mentality didn't go on a few decades ago. I know its big money now but not for the teams in L1 and L2, so whats caused it to change so much?
    Social media doesn't help

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwalePie View Post
    Social media doesn't help
    Social media creates and ferments instability, which isn't always a bad thing, but I don't think it's done Notts County Football Club many favours over the past decade.

    Of course, social media isn't going away, but the best advice to the next owner would be to steer completely clear of it and trust your own judgement rather than being influenced by everyone else's. Often it's an echo chamber that doesn't even reflect the true balance of supporter opinion. If the fans as a whole are that disgruntled, you'll be able to tell from the mood on matchdays or the lack of people there!

    PS. I am aware of the irony of using social media to decry it, so don't bother pointing that out! (… to paraphrase Sideshow Bob)

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    We've had plenty of capable managers who weren't given enough time. Saying that, we've also had some truly awful ones. I'm hoping the next chairman will be less trigger happy and try to bring some much needed stability to the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jscarr View Post
    We've had plenty of capable managers who weren't given enough time. Saying that, we've also had some truly awful ones. I'm hoping the next chairman will be less trigger happy and try to bring some much needed stability to the club.
    Easy to say but it is a lot easier for fans to voice their opinions nowadays and that creates pressure quicker than ever. Which means decisions are made sooner. Impulsiveness drives impulsiveness and when your Chairman is already pretty impulsive that makes it even worse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenslandpie View Post
    Easy to say but it is a lot easier for fans to voice their opinions nowadays and that creates pressure quicker than ever. Which means decisions are made sooner. Impulsiveness drives impulsiveness and when your Chairman is already pretty impulsive that makes it even worse!
    Yep! It's like a turbocharger has been bolted on to the olden-days 'unrest in the stands'

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwalePie View Post
    Yep! It's like a turbocharger has been bolted on to the olden-days 'unrest in the stands'
    I suppose, but how do the other 23 clubs in our division manage so much better than us? Could it be we've just been badly run and it isn't the fans fault at all. Not having a go at Hardy, I mean by everyone since Pavis's early days. Whatever the other clubs do, maybe we should try that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohinen View Post
    I suppose, but how do the other 23 clubs in our division manage so much better than us? Could it be we've just been badly run and it isn't the fans fault at all. Not having a go at Hardy, I mean by everyone since Pavis's early days. Whatever the other clubs do, maybe we should try that.
    I would imagine all clubs are in the process of learning to use it for the positive but unfortunately, despite our 'official' communication improving hugely, we had AH 'bolted on' to that unofficially. Unfortunately regardless of any good intentions of an open dialogue and all that, it backfired massively.

    I'm sure we're simply the extreme example of what can go wrong that way and other clubs have experienced it to some level or other

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