A good night...

[Handsome_Devil]

If I were a Killie fan I would 1) be very eager to see the red card again, and 2) very confident of finishing above Motherwell over the season.

Ho hum.

But for us that was a very good night. We got a huge slice of luck and deserve credit for taking advantage of it.

I don't think the last three games - or more fairly Aberdeen and Killie - are real cause for concern. In the same way that stuffing Hamilton does not mean we will finish third, losing to the Dons or struggling against Killie does not mean we're relegation fodder. We're going to be comfortably between fifth and eighth, I reckon, and being confident of that after the first round of games is a decent enough sign.

[Wellup4it]

If I were a Killie fan I would 1) be very eager to see the red card again, and 2) very confident of finishing above Motherwell over the season.

Ho hum.

But for us that was a very good night. We got a huge slice of luck and deserve credit for taking advantage of it.

Any footage I've seen of the red card incident is inconclusive and the player himself didn't really protest at all. SSN footgae reportedly shows Long getting the first touch, but as Carl McHugh will tell you that doesn't matter. I don't see how we were lucky in any way. Killie looked a good team but its impossible to say how the red card affected them. Often a team playing with a man down give that bit extra that they wouldn't otherwise have done. Who knows.

[Handsome_Devil]

A 50-50 red card and their goalie throwing the free kick into his own net seems an element of luck to me!

[Wellup4it]

A 50-50 red card and their goalie throwing the free kick into his own net seems an element of luck to me!

As far as the goalkeeping blunder is concerned, thats down to Kilmarnock shooting themselves in the foot. If your goalie makes an error then you can't complain. You could also argue that Killie benefitted from some good luck with their goal. A freak cross caught out our centre back and goalie. I wouldn't say that the red card was 50:50, its just that the evidence from limited TV highlights was inconclusive. Yes, we did get some good luck but so did they. They could have picked up 2 yellows for throwing the ball at one of our lads and kicking the ball at another.

[dazlhigh]

As far as the goalkeeping blunder is concerned, thats down to Kilmarnock shooting themselves in the foot. If your goalie makes an error then you can't complain. You could also argue that Killie benefitted from some good luck with their goal. A freak cross caught out our centre back and goalie. I wouldn't say that the red card was 50:50, its just that the evidence from limited TV highlights was inconclusive. Yes, we did get some good luck but so did they. They could have picked up 2 yellows for throwing the ball at one of our lads and kicking the ball at another.

Taking the match as a whole, we deserved to win. I feel that some are being a wee bit harsh on Gillespie at their goal. I sit behind the goals in the DC; if the goalie was caught out it was because our CB produced an unexpected air shot when Gillespie justifiably thought that the ball would be heading into the Knowetop Primary playground. He had little time to react once the CB had missed the ball.

[Handsome_Devil]

Definitely wouldn't blame Gillespie, I thought at the time it was just one of those things but looking back Hartley seems badly at fault.

[dazlhigh]

If I were a Killie fan I would 1) be very eager to see the red card again, and 2) very confident of finishing above Motherwell over the season.

Ho hum.

But for us that was a very good night. We got a huge slice of luck and deserve credit for taking advantage of it.

I don't think the last three games - or more fairly Aberdeen and Killie - are real cause for concern. In the same way that stuffing Hamilton does not mean we will finish third, losing to the Dons or struggling against Killie does not mean we're relegation fodder. We're going to be comfortably between fifth and eighth, I reckon, and being confident of that after the first round of games is a decent enough sign.

A 'Trial by Sportscene' review suggested that the ref. had got the Bruce red card right, so we maybe didn't, after all, 'get away with one' there.