Brexit Becoming A Nightmare For U.K. Businesses

[baggieal]

If anybody has a business who does volume orders to the EU - you would want to rewind the clock and scrap Brexit. Many would even say they would rather have Corbyn in than the nightmare of EU exports!!


Still our EU Exports are like many businesses - stuck in transit in the big black hole so hundreds of customers cancelling and nothing can be done. Many U.K. businesses are collapsing like a pack of cards or suspended taking any EU orders which we have just had to do - not an easy decision when 25% of our business was to EU customers. Even if things improve which is doubtful - why would EU countries want to order U.K. goods now they are overpriced with costly import charges and local VAT added.

Know a business today who have pulled the plug - wiped off 500K of debts including government 50k bounce back loan and VAT as chap has been crippled with what’s going on in the EU. He will now start again slate clean and not trade with the EU so look at all this taxpayers money gone! Guy had little alternative apparently and he will be one of many thousands.

Germany is the worst country and no surprises there!

[soulman101]

If anybody has a business who does volume orders to the EU - you would want to rewind the clock and scrap Brexit. Many would even say they would rather have Corbyn in than the nightmare of EU exports!!


Still our EU Exports are like many businesses - stuck in transit in the big black hole so hundreds of customers cancelling and nothing can be done. Many U.K. businesses are collapsing like a pack of cards or suspended taking any EU orders which we have just had to do - not an easy decision when 25% of our business was to EU customers. Even if things improve which is doubtful - why would EU countries want to order U.K. goods now they are overpriced with costly import charges and local VAT added.

Know a business today who have pulled the plug - wiped off 500K of debts including government 50k bounce back loan and VAT as chap has been crippled with what’s going on in the EU. He will now start again slate clean and not trade with the EU so look at all this taxpayers money gone! Guy had little alternative apparently and he will be one of many thousands.

Germany is the worst country and no surprises there!

Hi, does it work both ways or do we make it easy for them?

[mickd1961]

The Germans have been an utter disgrace for business since 1st January.

All this baloney about “friendship” is c r a p, they’re enjoying sticking the knife in.

Once we get our goods back into the Eu I’m going to blitz my German competition on price and make their lives a misery.

[WBA123]

The Germans have been an utter disgrace for business since 1st January.

All this baloney about “friendship” is c r a p, they’re enjoying sticking the knife in.

Once we get our goods back into the Eu I’m going to blitz my German competition on price and make their lives a misery.

I'm confused - you voted for these trade barriers. So why are you unhappy with Germany?

[mickd1961]

I'm confused - you voted for these trade barriers. So why are you unhappy with Germany?

No you’re not confused, you’re being a smart a r s e as usual.

Me and BaggieAl have both been very open about how we feel about our voting decision so don’t be so disingenuous.

What I hoped for ( foolishly ) was a regaining of sovereignty and control over immigration to suit our specific needs and yes, I did expect a bit more hassle with cross border trade, I’m not a complete fool.

Nobody on either side of the argument actually explained that a “Free Trade Agreement” actually applies to almost non of the goods travelling between us and the Eu and vice versa.

If you ask anybody who is trying to export at the moment they will all tell you the same thing, the Germans in particular are making this unbelievably difficult.

For each of individual parcel that’s sent to a customer in Germany the German Customs are holding the item and making the customer pay the vat on the item before releasing it instead of ( for example ) allowing Amazon to pay the vat portion of the sale to the German Exchequer as has always been the case.

Even the French are not doing this.

The Nazis are just reverting to type, they can’t help themselves.

There no wonder that so many races have such a deep mistrust of the Germans even now ( a view I’ve not personally ever held until now ) but they are on a major power trip at the moment.

Restricting trade on any item that has Eu certification anyway like my items do is just ludicrous.

I blame both sides for this abortion of a trade agreement, it’s an utterly worthless piece of paper.

[baggieal]

No you’re not confused, you’re being a smart a r s e as usual.

Me and BaggieAl have both been very open about how we feel about our voting decision so don’t be so disingenuous.

What I hoped for ( foolishly ) was a regaining of sovereignty and control over immigration to suit our specific needs and yes, I did expect a bit more hassle with cross border trade, I’m not a complete fool.

Nobody on either side of the argument actually explained that a “Free Trade Agreement” actually applies to almost non of the goods travelling between us and the Eu and vice versa.

If you ask anybody who is trying to export at the moment they will all tell you the same thing, the Germans in particular are making this unbelievably difficult.

For each of individual parcel that’s sent to a customer in Germany the German Customs are holding the item and making the customer pay the vat on the item before releasing it instead of ( for example ) allowing Amazon to pay the vat portion of the sale to the German Exchequer as has always been the case.

Even the French are not doing this.

The Nazis are just reverting to type, they can’t help themselves.

There no wonder that so many races have such a deep mistrust of the Germans even now ( a view I’ve not personally ever held until now ) but they are on a major power trip at the moment.

Restricting trade on any item that has Eu certification anyway like my items do is just ludicrous.

I blame both sides for this abortion of a trade agreement, it’s an utterly worthless piece of paper.

Could not agree more Mick! We have stopped taking EU orders now so will lose around 30% of our business. If we were to go bump we will take the 50K bounce back loan with us and VAT owed and start again the next day. Seems like hundreds of businesses are doing this and can you blame them! Must be nice to write off 500K but then again it’s lost trade and not ensuring this was a seamless transition!

Immigration - what’s Boris doing? Every other country shut their borders rapidly but hey everything with us is at the pace of Romaine Sawyers which is why we have circa 120,000 deaths

[DaveP67 is back!]

The problem with German officialdom is that they will follow the rules to the letter, even if this results in more red tape, delays and a bad outcome, their own robot like qualities result in them being unable to be pragmatic in anyway! Chuck a bunch of rules at the French, they will sign up to them then blindly go on as they did before with a Gallic shrug, the Italians will rail against the rules, then sign up to them then bend them beyond belief particularly if a brown envelope is on the table! Whereas us Brits will follow the rules and play things with a straight bat, but we will be pragmatic where this allows. One of the whole reasons why I voted out of the EU and a one size fits all policy across the whole eurozone will never work..

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

The problem with German officialdom is that they will follow the rules to the letter, even if this results in more red tape, delays and a bad outcome, their own robot like qualities result in them being unable to be pragmatic in anyway! Chuck a bunch of rules at the French, they will sign up to them then blindly go on as they did before with a Gallic shrug, the Italians will rail against the rules, then sign up to them then bend them beyond belief particularly if a brown envelope is on the table! Whereas us Brits will follow the rules and play things with a straight bat, but we will be pragmatic where this allows. One of the whole reasons why I voted out of the EU and a one size fits all policy across the whole eurozone will never work..

That analysis of how differently the Germans and the French react to rules is spot on.

[soulman101]

Hi, Does a car dealer have to pay vat on each German car at the UK port, before being allowed to transport it to the dealership ?
Or is the vat paid when the car is sold.
If we did the the as the Germans would hold up their exports to us.

[WBA123]

No you’re not confused, you’re being a smart a r s e as usual.

Me and BaggieAl have both been very open about how we feel about our voting decision so don’t be so disingenuous.

What I hoped for ( foolishly ) was a regaining of sovereignty and control over immigration to suit our specific needs and yes, I did expect a bit more hassle with cross border trade, I’m not a complete fool.

Nobody on either side of the argument actually explained that a “Free Trade Agreement” actually applies to almost non of the goods travelling between us and the Eu and vice versa.

If you ask anybody who is trying to export at the moment they will all tell you the same thing, the Germans in particular are making this unbelievably difficult.

For each of individual parcel that’s sent to a customer in Germany the German Customs are holding the item and making the customer pay the vat on the item before releasing it instead of ( for example ) allowing Amazon to pay the vat portion of the sale to the German Exchequer as has always been the case.

Even the French are not doing this.

The Nazis are just reverting to type, they can’t help themselves.

There no wonder that so many races have such a deep mistrust of the Germans even now ( a view I’ve not personally ever held until now ) but they are on a major power trip at the moment.

Restricting trade on any item that has Eu certification anyway like my items do is just ludicrous.

I blame both sides for this abortion of a trade agreement, it’s an utterly worthless piece of paper.

Sometimes I don't think I can be amazed anymore by the mess that is Brexit, but then you get a nugget like this;
- Man with business who trades with EU votes to leave EU and therefore Single Market
- When result is implemented, man complains about effect on his business of leaving Single Market
- Man blames Germany for the above

I'm just amazed, even at this stage you are blaming an EU country or 'both sides'.

We voted out, we knew this meant to leave the single market, we have chosen to erect trade barriers. They can choose to apply any import restrictions they want, we are in a separate market to them. We are a competitor not a 'friend'.

Why would they want to make it easy for a British based business to sell into their market when a German based business could take their place?

We need to take responsibility for our actions rather than blaming others. This is what we voted for, this is what our trading arrangements are now. Expect trade barriers because we voted in favour of them.