The signing of Obbi Oularé could cost Marcus Schopp his job

[Young_Nudger]

……… that’s if the majority of fans on here and the BBS get their way.

To maintain the successful Vertical Football tactics of last season that particular signing was critically important - especially when Morris got injured.
The signing of Obbi Oularé has been a huge failure.

I don’t think it will result in relegation.
But repeating the success of last season - which Paul Conway predicted - disappeared with that particular signing.

[animallittle3]

Again with the vertical football Nudge , it left for WBA and was never going to be repeated with subs down to three .

He doesn't even have his WBA team playing like he had us here last season .

Only one person getting Schopp the sack and that's Schopp himself .

[Young_Nudger]

Again with the vertical football Nudge , it left for WBA and was never going to be repeated with subs down to three .

He doesn't even have his WBA team playing like he had us here last season .

Only one person getting Schopp the sack and that's Schopp himself .

With all due respects - I think yer wrong.
I’ve watched WBA a few times on the tele over the last few weeks.
IMO - Ismael has gone into a club and tried to change the whole culture of that club.

Yes - WBA have more gifted players than us - but they are not as good as Barnsley were last season at playing high press vertical football.

Main reasons for that are - they don’t seem to get the ball forward as quickly as Barnsley did last season and the forwards are relatively new to the pressing game.
Those forwards are quick - but they haven’t the strikers that can knock over defenders like Morris and Dike can.
However - Ismael persists and he’s getting some good results.

It wouldn’t surprise me to hear that Ismael wishes that he had a few more Barnsley players with him from last season.

[animallittle3]

With all due respects - I think yer wrong.
I’ve watched WBA a few times on the tele over the last few weeks.
IMO - Ismael has gone into a club and tried to change the whole culture of that club.

Yes - WBA have more gifted players than us - but they are not as good as Barnsley were last season at playing high press vertical football.

Main reasons for that are - they don’t seem to get the ball forward as quickly as Barnsley did last season and the forwards are relatively new to the pressing game.
Those forwards are quick - but they haven’t the strikers that can knock over defenders like Morris and Dike can.
However - Ismael persists and he’s getting some good results.

It wouldn’t surprise me to hear that Ismael wishes that he had a few more Barnsley players with him from last season.

I'm wrong because you agree with me Val isn't playing vertical football at Brom ?

Interesting .

I've seen the majority of their televised games too and they haven't hoofed it what so ever .

They've played long balls when they had to but they haven't hoofed it and put that strangling press on opposition defenders like we did last season .

I've seen em even drop off and allow teams out to no doubt conserve energy .

Even Mowatt doesn't play the way he played here , he's running beyond the strikers at WBA , he never did that here .

The style is actually more Stendel like than Val at Oakwell last season .

[Arblasterfromthepast]

I'm wrong because you agree with me Val isn't playing vertical football at Brom ?

Interesting .

I've seen the majority of their televised games too and they haven't hoofed it what so ever .

They've played long balls when they had to but they haven't hoofed it and put that strangling press on opposition defenders like we did last season .

I've seen em even drop off and allow teams out to no doubt conserve energy .

Even Mowatt doesn't play the way he played here , he's running beyond the strikers at WBA , he never did that here .

The style is actually more Stendel like than Val at Oakwell last season .

Interesting to hear that. I did wonder if Val would have changed his style if he'd stayed at Barnsley. First season he played the style that he needed to but maybe this season he would have had more confidence in the players, because they have more experience, and therefore may have tweaked his style. We'll never know. But I always suspected that Val may have more than one trick up his sleeve (and needed to have because his tactics last season had been rumbled).

[Shadrack the Red]

Interesting to hear that. I did wonder if Val would have changed his style if he'd stayed at Barnsley. First season he played the style that he needed to but maybe this season he would have had more confidence in the players, because they have more experience, and therefore may have tweaked his style. We'll never know. But I always suspected that Val may have more than one trick up his sleeve (and needed to have because his tactics last season had been rumbled).

You could well be right , I think Val is smart & he is a winner , he doesn"t take any prisoners , its all about getting results , the players what he puts out on the pitch would run through a brick wall for him & that is down to respect , he also stands his corner with the officials & with the opposition dug out but he is tactically very aware & yes there will be matches where he becomes unstuck but he seems to learn from these negatives & turn them into positives , it was a sad day when he was allowed to leave & is a hard act for anyone to follow .

[Arblasterfromthepast]

You could well be right , I think Val is smart & he is a winner , he doesn"t take any prisoners , its all about getting results , the players what he puts out on the pitch would run through a brick wall for him & that is down to respect , he also stands his corner with the officials & with the opposition dug out but he is tactically very aware & yes there will be matches where he becomes unstuck but he seems to learn from these negatives & turn them into positives , it was a sad day when he was allowed to leave & is a hard act for anyone to follow .

Yes, my impression of Val has always been that he's an intelligent bloke Shadrack. A lot of football managers know the game inside out and do well because of that but I think Val also has more general intelligence that others don't. Klopp is another one that springs to mind.

[pass_and_move]

It's a classic case of a good manager assessing his squad and deciding what style suits the players at his disposal to yield the best possible results. Val recognised that our ability to pass out from the back was limited so in order to get the most out of what he had here he opted for the long ball no nonsense approach which was very effective.

At WBA he has better quality players to work with, thus his style isn't so cavalier and direct.

Shame our current head coach doesn't grasp the simple things like that. Instead he puts a left back(who Ismael dint rate) in the front 3, a solid and consistent right wing back in midfield, sends a ball playing midfielder on loan to Oxford and ignores the midfield options he currently has at his disposal leaving them on the bench and bringing a central defender on instead.

He's costing himself by making daft decisions. He's managed 272 games. 150 of those in a regional league with Sturm Graz II whose stadium capacity is 1500. He has a 35% win record with them. Athersley Rec are a bigger club

[Young_Nudger]

It's a classic case of a good manager assessing his squad and deciding what style suits the players at his disposal to yield the best possible results. Val recognised that our ability to pass out from the back was limited so in order to get the most out of what he had here he opted for the long ball no nonsense approach which was very effective.

At WBA he has better quality players to work with, thus his style isn't so cavalier and direct.

Shame our current head coach doesn't grasp the simple things like that. Instead he puts a left back(who Ismael dint rate) in the front 3, a solid and consistent right wing back in midfield, sends a ball playing midfielder on loan to Oxford and ignores the midfield options he currently has at his disposal leaving them on the bench and bringing a central defender on instead.

He's costing himself by making daft decisions. He's managed 272 games. 150 of those in a regional league with Sturm Graz II whose stadium capacity is 1500. He has a 35% win record with them. Athersley Rec are a bigger club

I think your first two paragraphs are spot on.

It’s obvious what Marcus is trying to do - find a winning system with a limited number of players available.
Its not working.
And I can’t see it working until he has at least one of the target strikers (Morris and Obbi) available.

As some have mentioned - Ismael shaped the team with the players he had got - he knew he hadn’t got the skifull players other clubs had got - so he insisted the club bring in more power up front.
Which the club did in January with Morris and Dike.
From that moment on the style changed and the results got better and better.

In some respects Marcus is in exactly the same boat as Ismael.
He can see that other clubs have often got more experienced skilful players than Barnsley.
But the difference between Ismael and Marcus is that Ismael had the option of powerful strikers - Marcus hasn’t got that option.
There lies the difference.
And it’s huge.

[pass_and_move]

I think your first two paragraphs are spot on.

It’s obvious what Marcus is trying to do - find a winning system with a limited number of players available.
Its not working.
And I can’t see it working until he has at least one of the target strikers (Morris and Obbi) available.

As some have mentioned - Ismael shaped the team with the players he had got - he knew he hadn’t got the skifull players other clubs had got - so he insisted the club bring in more power up front.
Which the club did in January with Morris and Dike.
From that moment on the style changed and the results got better and better.

In some respects Marcus is in exactly the same boat as Ismael.
He can see that other clubs have often got more experienced skilful players than Barnsley.
But the difference between Ismael and Marcus is that Ismael had the option of powerful strikers - Marcus hasn’t got that option.
There lies the difference.
And it’s huge.

Ismael was getting results afooar Dike and Morris arrived to the tune of 30points from his first 17 games (W10 D0 L7) which is play off form. That's without a target striker as well. He predominantly used Woodrow, Chaplin and Freiser with a splattering of big Victor before the Jan window when Morris and Dike were brought in. How on earth can you explain that then Nudger? To compare this pilchard to a manager of the calibre of Ismael? Schopp will be lucky to get us 30 points all season at this rate never mind in his first 17 games.