Dan Csoka

[Derbymiller]

another player with heart issues, this time in our game last night, there is a clear coreelation between the introduction of the covid vaccines and the increases of cases globally, correlation doesn't prove causation however there is a lot of research going on in this area to look at the potential cause.

https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athl...er-covid-shot/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._while_playing

I am not pushing any agenda here just sharing information, it would be terrible for anyone an athelete or not to suffer such issues

this is one to watch

[John2]

another player with heart issues, this time in our game last night, there is a clear coreelation between the introduction of the covid vaccines and the increases of cases globally, correlation doesn't prove causation however there is a lot of research going on in this area to look at the potential cause.

https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athl...er-covid-shot/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._while_playing

I am not pushing any agenda here just sharing information, it would be terrible for anyone an athelete or not to suffer such issues

this is one to watch

OK, not pushing an agenda but you choose to risk coming across as poorly informed and at risk of promoting misinformation.

It's weird conspiracy theorists are willing to suggest vaccines as a possible cause for heart issues but overlook a far greater potential cause... covid.

We know that coronavirus has been contracted by many millions of people and is causing all sorts of long term medical issues.

Why are people so quick to jump to discussing vaccines and not even consider another far more dangerous candidate!?

I've coincidentally got covid at the moment.

[jackmansell]

OK, not pushing an agenda but you choose to risk coming across as poorly informed and at risk of promoting misinformation.

It's weird conspiracy theorists are willing to suggest vaccines as a possible cause for heart issues but overlook a far greater potential cause... covid.

We know that coronavirus has been contracted by many millions of people and is causing all sorts of long term medical issues.

Why are people so quick to jump to discussing vaccines and not even consider another far more dangerous candidate!?

I've coincidentally got covid at the moment.

How is he promoting misinformation? Before the vaccine was available we didn't have this amount of athletes with heart problems and covid was at it's worst then!
This head in the sand attitude regarding the new vaccines is ridiculous! At the very least it needs looking into.

[John2]

How is he promoting misinformation? Before the vaccine was available we didn't have this amount of athletes with heart problems and covid was at it's worst then!
This head in the sand attitude regarding the new vaccines is ridiculous! At the very least it needs looking into.

It is entirely possible that vaccines do increase the risk of various health effects.

However, the vaccination program is running alongside the most dangerous and transmissible virus in a century.

Of course it should be studied, but the idea that that non-medically qualified members of the public are widely circulating information that heavily hints at risks towards vaccines while making no mention of the prospect covid itself as a cause or other plausible explanations, is a huge misinformation risk and potential driver of vaccination hesitancy.

There is no balance in the discussion. It's worrying.

I have a friend in the US (age 35) who got covid before the vaccine was available and has been suffering so badly with long covid at one point he thought he was going to die. He'd spent over $60k on private treatments out of desperation last I heard, and had flown to Germany for a treatment to remove blood clots where he said some they removed clots the size of a slug.

Almost everyone I know has been vaccinated, yet I know a lot more people suffering from long term covid complications than I do vaccine complications.

Misinformation is dangerous.

[jackmansell]

It is entirely possible that vaccines do increase the risk of various health effects.

However, the vaccination program is running alongside the most dangerous and transmissible virus in a century.

Of course it should be studied, but the idea that that non-medically qualified members of the public are widely circulating information that heavily hints at risks towards vaccines while making no mention of the prospect covid itself as a cause or other plausible explanations, is a huge misinformation risk and potential driver of vaccination hesitancy.

There is no balance in the discussion. It's worrying.

I have a friend in the US (age 35) who got covid before the vaccine was available and has been suffering so badly with long covid at one point he thought he was going to die. He'd spent over $60k on private treatments out of desperation last I heard, and had flown to Germany for a treatment to remove blood clots where he said some they removed clots the size of a slug.

Almost everyone I know has been vaccinated, yet I know a lot more people suffering from long term covid complications than I do vaccine complications.

Misinformation is dangerous.

I think we are all aware that covid is nasty for some but so are the vaccines for others. I myself have had a blood clot on the lung and I'm still suffering from fibromyalgia rhuematica and both are attributed to the AZ vaccine according to my Dr.

I don't see any misinformation here, just someone making others aware of the possibilties.

[John2]

I think we are all aware that covid is nasty for some but so are the vaccines for others. I myself have had a blood clot on the lung and I'm still suffering from fibromyalgia rhuematica and both are attributed to the AZ vaccine according to my Dr.

I don't see any misinformation here, just someone making others aware of the possibilties.

It's the imbalance of the information that's the problem.

I'm sorry of your issues.

However, the post only mentions one side of the story.

Let me give you a thought experiment.

Imagine there is a virus that you have a 50% chance of catching and a 10% chance of death if you do.

That would give you a 5% chance of death overall.

Now imagine there was a vaccine that gave you a 1% chance of death, but eliminated the risk from the virus.

If you only have half the story you are at huge risk of being misinformed.

"Don't take the vaccine, it kills 1 in 100 people".

In isolation, of course the vaccine has a risk associated. However is it super dumb to only discuss the risk from the virus without the full context.

Non-medically trained members of the public on a football message board is NOT a good place to have a balanced discussion, the risk of becoming misinformed is rife. The opening posts express a worryingly one-sided approach.

Raising risks is completely valid, but not when it is done without context and by people unqualified to provide said context.

[Derbymiller]

It is entirely possible that vaccines do increase the risk of various health effects.

However, the vaccination program is running alongside the most dangerous and transmissible virus in a century.

Of course it should be studied, but the idea that that non-medically qualified members of the public are widely circulating information that heavily hints at risks towards vaccines while making no mention of the prospect covid itself as a cause or other plausible explanations, is a huge misinformation risk and potential driver of vaccination hesitancy.

There is no balance in the discussion. It's worrying.

I have a friend in the US (age 35) who got covid before the vaccine was available and has been suffering so badly with long covid at one point he thought he was going to die. He'd spent over $60k on private treatments out of desperation last I heard, and had flown to Germany for a treatment to remove blood clots where he said some they removed clots the size of a slug.

Almost everyone I know has been vaccinated, yet I know a lot more people suffering from long term covid complications than I do vaccine complications.

Misinformation is dangerous.

Covid-19 isnt a virus, I am not misinformed at all, i am a qualified scientist and I have read a lot of papers (published and peer reviewed) on the subject and have based my analysis and position based on those, not on what my mate said down the pub who knew someone that had it. For your information i have had a positive test in the past and recovered easily with only mild symptoms. Bu the way the virus is SARS-COV-2, i suggest that instead of using msm labels that are only used by people that get their information from the TV you open your mind to the possible. To say it is the most dangerous and transmitable virus in a century is toal garbage and shows a person with little or no knowledge. all you offer is anecdotal evidence. I am going to stop here because it is a waste of time speaking to people like you and go back to the football conversation, please don't bother to reply and personal abuse won't wash with me either, don't get overly excited we don't want to give you a heart attack.

[John2]

Covid-19 isnt a virus, I am not misinformed at all, i am a qualified scientist and I have read a lot of papers (published and peer reviewed) on the subject and have based my analysis and position based on those, not on what my mate said down the pub who knew someone that had it. For your information i have had a positive test in the past and recovered easily with only mild symptoms. Bu the way the virus is SARS-COV-2, i suggest that instead of using msm labels that are only used by people that get their information from the TV you open your mind to the possible. To say it is the most dangerous and transmitable virus in a century is toal garbage and shows a person with little or no knowledge. all you offer is anecdotal evidence. I am going to stop here because it is a waste of time speaking to people like you and go back to the football conversation, please don't bother to reply and personal abuse won't wash with me either, don't get overly excited we don't want to give you a heart attack.

Out of curiosity, exactly what area of science is your qualification? And to what level?

[CAMiller]

I haven't seen or heard anything about this and couldn't find anything with a Google search so I'm not sure why it warranted a new thread on MM rather than a simple post on the post match thoughts thread if it wasn't to promote an agenda. Derby clearly has his own misgivings about the vaccination as he exhibited in the post below so I'll leave it to others to judge his intentions on this one.

taking part in medical experiements is a personal decision and attacking people that don't because based on risk assessment and personal reseach using their right for informed consent is something that our fathers and grandfathers fought for. One of the few things that came out of WW2 was the Nuremberg code, and forcing vaccinations and medical experiments on people was stopped. We have to protect personal freedoms and liberties. I worked for 5 years in the Clinical Trial business and I know how to look at the data and how to assess risk of drugs and treatments and let me tell you this, there is not enough data on these experimental vaccines and what has been forced to be realeased following the US court hearings should scare the crap out of you, this is all about rich people getting richer and NOTHING to do with health, this is about making people dependent on large pharma for the rest of your lives. I suggest before people start wanting to sack people and discriminate against people and support a government that wants to force the citizens it is supposed to represent into medical experiements you turn off your TV news, stop buying newspapers and pick up the scientific articles and data and some history books and see what is happening here. Also check out the wording of the recent Police act and the proposed changes to the UK Human Rights act and then you will see what the establishmnet has in line for you, your children and your gand children, that is ALL parties. Please don't let those bas****s turn us against each other and divide us, think outside the box and support each other when we exercise our freedoms and our rights, because next time it could be YOU

[clarkey1974]

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