Manager Confidence

[Tutfoster1892]

At what stage do you lose confidence in Eddie Howe..

Personally I trust him to turn things around, not sure I trust Dan Ashworths signings though.. I trust the players he has signed as I do think there are good players, I just think he didn't get the right positions in that were needed..

anyway.. back to the original point..

When would you start questioning or losing confidence in Eddie Howe? Lose the next 2/3? Bottom half of the table at Xmas?

Personally I'd give him another summer window, however.... I don't think the owners will be that lenient


(Hello to those of you that know me anyway... couldn't remember my old log in details haha)

[Ragatino]

At what stage do you lose confidence in Eddie Howe..

Personally I trust him to turn things around, not sure I trust Dan Ashworths signings though.. I trust the players he has signed as I do think there are good players, I just think he didn't get the right positions in that were needed..

anyway.. back to the original point..

When would you start questioning or losing confidence in Eddie Howe? Lose the next 2/3? Bottom half of the table at Xmas?

Personally I'd give him another summer window, however.... I don't think the owners will be that lenient


(Hello to those of you that know me anyway... couldn't remember my old log in details haha)

Point 1 - Eddie Howe.
Qualification for the CL has been a blessing and curse. It's come too soon. Had we achieved a nice 6-8th last season fans would have be happy & the press would have said that's about fair.

EH super over achieved last season. As the board repeated constantly in the documentary. "The finances don't match our progress on the field."

My opinion on Eddie is that he gets this season to do the best he can. I see this season as a free hit. We're in the Champions League, We'll host Dortmund, PSG & AC Milan at SJP. If you'd have told me that in the 2019 I would have laughed in your face.

Even if it doesn't go well I am not going to turn on Eddie. We own his a huge debt for the 11th finish with the 'Cabbage Patch Kids'. That can only be described as a miracle.

In terms of Eddie being replaced, what would that take? Repeated Brighton performances & corresponding results. Losing isn't a concern for me, the team will lose matches, it's football. However to go down without a fight is the complete opposite of what we know and expect from an Eddie Howe team. If we go down fighting then I'm not concerned. If we go the next 4 games without a win, losing 2 and drawing 2 with the performance being disjointed and lacking intensity then that is a sign that things ain't good. That would be of more concern.

Summary - If we finish in the top 8 this year, qualify from the CL group, have a nice FA or League Cup run I'm happy. 24/25 season will be the season that Eddie has to qualify for the CL again (if we don't do it again this season), as all clubs who play CL football for the first time experience a drop in league form. We have a small but quality squad and we are gonna need everyone fit and firing. EH has to maintain that intensity!

Point 2 - Ashworth Signings
EH is very much part of the process of identifying players. Tonali was Eddie's No.1 choice for example.
Repeatedly the board said in the Doc how hard it was to get player to top quality in. Amanda's comment about midfielders in one episode "Getting this midfielders is so difficult!".
Did we need a different profile of player this past summer? Time will tell.

On the evidence of the Villa game, no. We were excellent! The Midfield 3 bossed it. We have to remember that Tonali & the team need to work together for a while to get the kind of relationship the Brazilians have with Longstaff for example.

The signings point to a long term strategy avoiding the 'Boom & Bust' scenario seen at other clubs. Everything about the Board & Owners is "process driven" not emotional or over-confident/cocky.

Do I think we needed to sign more players / different positions?
Yes and no.
Yes because I'm unconvinced Miggy can be the player that scored 11 goals last season on a regular basis. Murphy has improved 100% under Howe. The two of them are a cause for concern - for sure. The board & EH chased a RWer but unlike previous regimes, we are not prepared to compromise on the profile of player we want to sign. So we didn't drop down to 3rd or 4th choice. I like that ethos, stick to your main targets or don't waste your money.
Also I have a sneaky feeling that EH might deply Tino in the Right Wing position at some point.
It's a concern not a worry.

Did we need to bring in another left winger in Barnes?
The like for like with Maxi was good business, opened up FFP a little and replaced a fan favourite with a goal getting Home Grown player. I wouldn't have prioritised that looking at the bigger picture it improves the positive massively. +10 goals from that position this season we didn't have last.

Lewis Hall & Tino Signings
Excellent prospects both with bags of EPL experience. Delighted with both signings, can't wait to see Hall stake his claim at LB & Tino to be among the team.
Hall especially is quite a coup IMO. Future England international for sure. Geordie family, a match made in heaven! That left hand side will be very dangerous with Barnes or Gordon in front of him.

Over all I'm happy with the signings.
Did we need more? Yes
Did the board do their best to bring in more? Yes
However it just shows how tough a spot we are in right now. Balancing the finances, attracting the precise player we need not just signing 'meat in the seats'. It would have been easy for the club to 'Do a Notts Forest' and sign 10 players on the level of our current squad. We only target 'young class players who are top internationals in the making.' There isn't a huge pool from which to draw.

I expect us to sign 1 or 2 in Jan & then go again with 4-5 next summer.

The true test as I mention above will be 24/25 season. We'll have had 3 summer windows. The completion of that 3rd transfer cycle will have seen us clear the last of the deadwood (Hendrick contract expires etc), possibly have moved Miggy and the like on, replacing them with the quality of talent we required to compete at the top table consistently.

It's a slow process, we have to stick with it & give the team, Manager and board our full support. Especially when the team is not at their best. That's when they need us the most, not to p1ss & moan at every little thing.

[Tutfoster1892]

Point 1 - Eddie Howe.
Qualification for the CL has been a blessing and curse. It's come too soon. Had we achieved a nice 6-8th last season fans would have be happy & the press would have said that's about fair.

EH super over achieved last season. As the board repeated constantly in the documentary. "The finances don't match our progress on the field."

My opinion on Eddie is that he gets this season to do the best he can. I see this season as a free hit. We're in the Champions League, We'll host Dortmund, PSG & AC Milan at SJP. If you'd have told me that in the 2019 I would have laughed in your face.

Even if it doesn't go well I am not going to turn on Eddie. We own his a huge debt for the 11th finish with the 'Cabbage Patch Kids'. That can only be described as a miracle.

In terms of Eddie being replaced, what would that take? Repeated Brighton performances & corresponding results. Losing isn't a concern for me, the team will lose matches, it's football. However to go down without a fight is the complete opposite of what we know and expect from an Eddie Howe team. If we go down fighting then I'm not concerned. If we go the next 4 games without a win, losing 2 and drawing 2 with the performance being disjointed and lacking intensity then that is a sign that things ain't good. That would be of more concern.

Summary - If we finish in the top 8 this year, qualify from the CL group, have a nice FA or League Cup run I'm happy. 24/25 season will be the season that Eddie has to qualify for the CL again (if we don't do it again this season), as all clubs who play CL football for the first time experience a drop in league form. We have a small but quality squad and we are gonna need everyone fit and firing. EH has to maintain that intensity!

Point 2 - Ashworth Signings
EH is very much part of the process of identifying players. Tonali was Eddie's No.1 choice for example.
Repeatedly the board said in the Doc how hard it was to get player to top quality in. Amanda's comment about midfielders in one episode "Getting this midfielders is so difficult!".
Did we need a different profile of player this past summer? Time will tell.

On the evidence of the Villa game, no. We were excellent! The Midfield 3 bossed it. We have to remember that Tonali & the team need to work together for a while to get the kind of relationship the Brazilians have with Longstaff for example.

The signings point to a long term strategy avoiding the 'Boom & Bust' scenario seen at other clubs. Everything about the Board & Owners is "process driven" not emotional or over-confident/cocky.

Do I think we needed to sign more players / different positions?
Yes and no.
Yes because I'm unconvinced Miggy can be the player that scored 11 goals last season on a regular basis. Murphy has improved 100% under Howe. The two of them are a cause for concern - for sure. The board & EH chased a RWer but unlike previous regimes, we are not prepared to compromise on the profile of player we want to sign. So we didn't drop down to 3rd or 4th choice. I like that ethos, stick to your main targets or don't waste your money.
Also I have a sneaky feeling that EH might deply Tino in the Right Wing position at some point.
It's a concern not a worry.

Did we need to bring in another left winger in Barnes?
The like for like with Maxi was good business, opened up FFP a little and replaced a fan favourite with a goal getting Home Grown player. I wouldn't have prioritised that looking at the bigger picture it improves the positive massively. +10 goals from that position this season we didn't have last.

Lewis Hall & Tino Signings
Excellent prospects both with bags of EPL experience. Delighted with both signings, can't wait to see Hall stake his claim at LB & Tino to be among the team.
Hall especially is quite a coup IMO. Future England international for sure. Geordie family, a match made in heaven! That left hand side will be very dangerous with Barnes or Gordon in front of him.

Over all I'm happy with the signings.
Did we need more? Yes
Did the board do their best to bring in more? Yes
However it just shows how tough a spot we are in right now. Balancing the finances, attracting the precise player we need not just signing 'meat in the seats'. It would have been easy for the club to 'Do a Notts Forest' and sign 10 players on the level of our current squad. We only target 'young class players who are top internationals in the making.' There isn't a huge pool from which to draw.

I expect us to sign 1 or 2 in Jan & then go again with 4-5 next summer.

The true test as I mention above will be 24/25 season. We'll have had 3 summer windows. The completion of that 3rd transfer cycle will have seen us clear the last of the deadwood (Hendrick contract expires etc), possibly have moved Miggy and the like on, replacing them with the quality of talent we required to compete at the top table consistently.

It's a slow process, we have to stick with it & give the team, Manager and board our full support. Especially when the team is not at their best. That's when they need us the most, not to p1ss & moan at every little thing.

To be fair I agree with a lot of this, however.. like you said we have to spend within our means... which begs the question, why did we spend 70m on Tino and Hall as back up full backs?

yeah Hall may stake a claim this season, but Livramento won't get regular game time until next season.. we aren't a Man City type of club yet where we can buy kids with potential when we needed other areas filling first..

Like I have said though, I do trust Eddie.. but the team is crying out for an attacking midfielder and a right winger..

The whole team has a free pass this season, but if it goes wrong, these owners will have no issue in replacing who they need to replace

[toptoon]

Welcome back Tut.

Nothing to turn around IMO. We were unlucky not to beat Livarpool and that was the only disappointing result so far.
Eddie has bag loads of credit - if people want to crucify him for doing a miraculous job last season then get in the deluded queue and have a gold star for fickleness.

[Sclox]

At what stage do you lose confidence in Eddie Howe..

Personally I trust him to turn things around, not sure I trust Dan Ashworths signings though.. I trust the players he has signed as I do think there are good players, I just think he didn't get the right positions in that were needed..

anyway.. back to the original point..

When would you start questioning or losing confidence in Eddie Howe? Lose the next 2/3? Bottom half of the table at Xmas?

Personally I'd give him another summer window, however.... I don't think the owners will be that lenient


(Hello to those of you that know me anyway... couldn't remember my old log in details haha)

Howdy mate.

Know what, I dont even like thinking or talking about this topic. Thats how much credit EH as built up in my mind and I dont want to fuel the "fickle" Newcastle fan narrative.

However my uneducated and uninformed opinion is he gets a free run this season and fully backed in the next 2 windows.

If there is a collapse this year and runs into next sesson then I will look at it again. It will depend on the manner of the collapse though. Injury or bad luck, then yes a by-ball. If the collapse comes due to no fight in the games/motivation/tactics/substitutes or I see EH not growing in the job then yes, I will ask questions.

But us fans dont always know the full story behind the scenes so its not always black and white.

It aint going to happen though.

[Zippity]

Evening, Tut. Good to see you on. He's my man. Players and managers alike have periods when things don't go as well as they-or the fans-would like. Players can be dropped or play through it if they have a bad patch but managers can't do that so the pressure grows and grows on them (although quite often, that pressure is generated from outside the club and the fanbase).And the noise the media makes often makes the manager out to be performing far worse than they actually are (and, depending on the media agenda, the reverse can be true-look at the free ride that useless turd Bruce got).

For me, Eddie is better than Rafa (and they share similar qualities, too-they 'get' us, the club, the city, they both give so much of themselves to the job, both highly dedicated, honourable men, etc) and has a better chance than Rafa ever had of achieving something here.

FFP has royally fucked us over but that hasn't changed the media expectations on us-and the higher those expectations, the quicker the pressure builds when it looks like we're not meeting them. As fans, we need to stay strong and not fall into the trap of expecting too much otherwise we'll start to contribute to the pressure...and that never ends well. That's not to say we can't have big hopes or be disappointed when we don't perform or can't criticise but we know the context and background our recent performances are set against so I'd like to think that our fanbase will stay behind Eddie even if we have a poorer season than last time.

[Nufcian]

At what stage do you lose confidence in Eddie Howe..

Personally I trust him to turn things around, not sure I trust Dan Ashworths signings though.. I trust the players he has signed as I do think there are good players, I just think he didn't get the right positions in that were needed..

anyway.. back to the original point..

When would you start questioning or losing confidence in Eddie Howe? Lose the next 2/3? Bottom half of the table at Xmas?

Personally I'd give him another summer window, however.... I don't think the owners will be that lenient


(Hello to those of you that know me anyway... couldn't remember my old log in details haha)

To be fair to Ashworth, Eddie has said, multiple times, it isn’t about bringing in a position it is about the player.

That worked so far as our actual squad depth was non existent a couple windows ago, but now I’d say we’re in a position where we have to concentrate on the positions… and those being a right wing/forward and right footed centrehalf.

[coastferret]

bang on the money nufcian

[coastferret]

Welcome back Tut.

Nothing to turn around IMO. We were unlucky not to beat Livarpool and that was the only disappointing result so far.
Eddie has bag loads of credit - if people want to crucify him for doing a miraculous job last season then get in the deluded queue and have a gold star for fickleness.

exactly

[Ragatino]

We're 1 point worse off than last season.
We've played 3 of the toughest matches already this season.

We've got some great players in over the summer and they have improved the squad massively.

As those top players integrate into the squad and start to play more regularly due to volume of matches and necessary rotation everything will work out fine.

The hysteria after 4 games is utterly pathetic. Mostly the scaremongering is from outside the club, other fans, 'Agent Provocateurs' infiltrating the social media of NUFC fans and destabilising the more volatile among the fan base & of course the mongoloids like Merson & the clowns at Talk Sh*te in the MSM talking in 'Knowing tones' when they know nothing at all.

People need to grow a thicker skin and get behind the Manager and the team when we're needed the most. That is now. WHen things are going well it's easy to be a supporter. Now is the time we need to dig deep and help the team to win against Brentford.