Adding up the sums

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Marathe said at the end of the play off final we would start the season with a squad at least as strong as the start of 23/34 - currently the best 3 players are gone and haven’t been replaced. Two of them provided most of the creativity the side had.

In terms of incoming revenue

There is no fall off in season ticket renewals or the size of the waiting list.

Player sales seem to be roughly - from the key ones
Archie Gray 40m
Cresswell 4m
Kamara 8.5m
Summerville 25m (but now he has been picked for Holland one of the add ons is trigged)
Roca -3m
Llorente 2m
Rutter 40m

In FFP terms I believe you can count it all even if payments are phased.

We also have the so called biggest sponsorship deal the EFL has ever seen with figures quoted between 25m and 60m per season. Even at the lower end that is a lot of dosh if true.

On the flip side we have bought Rodon, Cairns and Bogle for a combined 15.5m (no doubt spread out over a few season).

The 49ers also said that they were sitting on cash waiting to invest if only FFP would allow.

With the player sales and sponsorship even with margins for error on those sums that leave a big kitty to spend.

What on earth is going on.

I have a horrible feeling that at least 2 of rhe 4 more players Farke is looking for will be loan signings - hope I am wrong but something doesn’t quite add up in the narrative.

PS - pleased for Charlie Cresswell but fact he was pretty much MoM on debut again demonstrates one of Farke’s flaws.

Think he is mediocre and not suited to running a ‘big’ club where his own ego gets in the way.

Happy days ….

[Pacaman]

Marathe said at the end of the play off final we would start the season with a squad at least as strong as the start of 23/34 - currently the best 3 players are gone and haven’t been replaced. Two of them provided most of the creativity the side had.

In terms of incoming revenue

There is no fall off in season ticket renewals or the size of the waiting list.

Player sales seem to be roughly - from the key ones
Archie Gray 40m
Cresswell 4m
Kamara 8.5m
Summerville 25m (but now he has been picked for Holland one of the add ons is trigged)
Roca -3m
Llorente 2m
Rutter 40m

In FFP terms I believe you can count it all even if payments are phased.

We also have the so called biggest sponsorship deal the EFL has ever seen with figures quoted between 25m and 60m per season. Even at the lower end that is a lot of dosh if true.

On the flip side we have bought Rodon, Cairns and Bogle for a combined 15.5m (no doubt spread out over a few season).

The 49ers also said that they were sitting on cash waiting to invest if only FFP would allow.

With the player sales and sponsorship even with margins for error on those sums that leave a big kitty to spend.

What on earth is going on.

I have a horrible feeling that at least 2 of rhe 4 more players Farke is looking for will be loan signings - hope I am wrong but something doesn’t quite add up in the narrative.

PS - pleased for Charlie Cresswell but fact he was pretty much MoM on debut again demonstrates one of Farke’s flaws.

Think he is mediocre and not suited to running a ‘big’ club where his own ego gets in the way.

Happy days ….

Some effort gone into all that Hopey! Impressive.

This situation is extremely poor and the 49ers own it completely. Yes they had contract clauses to deal with but these clauses were well known about so exits were very probable after the final few weeks and Wembley fiasco.

Now, the club will be stung on any transfer fees, paying premiums to clubs who know we are desperate to replace those exits, little time to do it in and a fan base that will not forgive them for their incompetence. The thing is, this huge corporate knew what was possible and had no plan A or plan B. Even if and I still think they will, get players in before the deadline, they cannot claim this was all well orchestrated. It will be desperate and that doesn’t bode well for me.

Another mess and all avoidable.

[Rev72]

We are paying a very high price for Farkes failure to get us up last season , just how high that price is we will not know until the end of this transfer window , but if feels like disappointment is on the way.

Very hard to trust the 49ers but none of us are privy to the behind the scenes shenanigans , also doesn't help when there is virtually feck all loyalty anymore.

As the great Johnny Rotten said on the very last live song he sung with the pistols 'Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?'

Indeed.

[Rev72]

Marathe said at the end of the play off final we would start the season with a squad at least as strong as the start of 23/34 - currently the best 3 players are gone and haven’t been replaced. Two of them provided most of the creativity the side had.

In terms of incoming revenue

There is no fall off in season ticket renewals or the size of the waiting list.

Player sales seem to be roughly - from the key ones
Archie Gray 40m
Cresswell 4m
Kamara 8.5m
Summerville 25m (but now he has been picked for Holland one of the add ons is trigged)
Roca -3m
Llorente 2m
Rutter 40m

In FFP terms I believe you can count it all even if payments are phased.

We also have the so called biggest sponsorship deal the EFL has ever seen with figures quoted between 25m and 60m per season. Even at the lower end that is a lot of dosh if true.

On the flip side we have bought Rodon, Cairns and Bogle for a combined 15.5m (no doubt spread out over a few season).

The 49ers also said that they were sitting on cash waiting to invest if only FFP would allow.

With the player sales and sponsorship even with margins for error on those sums that leave a big kitty to spend.

What on earth is going on.

I have a horrible feeling that at least 2 of rhe 4 more players Farke is looking for will be loan signings - hope I am wrong but something doesn’t quite add up in the narrative.

PS - pleased for Charlie Cresswell but fact he was pretty much MoM on debut again demonstrates one of Farke’s flaws.

Think he is mediocre and not suited to running a ‘big’ club where his own ego gets in the way.

Happy days ….

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[spaldy]

Can't disagree with any of your post HOP.

However, let me defend them a bit. And then acknowledge I'm likely just grasping at straws.

Since I hopped on board supporting us in 2004 we've been an absolute train wreck ownership, management and financial wise. It's almost hard to believe that any team with the fan base and history that Leeds has is as poorly run as it has been the last 30 years. It's not the supporters fault but its the fact.

I also know from business that oftentimes you have to drop to rock bottom before building it back up. We never really did that during the bates years. He just kept looting any assets we developed.

Maybe the 49's are "starting over" with their business model. Let's face it, we had a lot a talented players on some really hefty salaries that didn't get the job done. we were a lesson in mediocrity in the Prem and last year we had as deep as any squad and blew it. I think the fact we couldn't win some pretty simple games at the end of last season shows that we'd have likely been blasted out of the prem in one quick season up. The last year in the prem and last year we had players that didn't have the pride to want to represent us properly. it wasn't Farke's fault or any single players fault. We just didn't have the guts or stomach to get it across the line.

The Gray sale hurt. That was a gut punch. However, maybe selling the rest was a way to get players in that want to win. I would easily believe that if we had also gotten rid of Meslier, Bamford, Piroe or Gnonto and replaced them with different type of players. We didn't so it could be we just have another robber baron owner that hides it better than bates did.

I suspect it's going to be a long and painful season with us missing out at the end.

[Billyni]

Hmmm. Rock bottom of what division do they have in mind, before we start over?

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Wow Spaldy you really have seen some of the dross since you supported us 🤔.

Not saying the 49ers are bad just they need to do something quick as every year in the EFL makes the climb back that much steeper and given what they said.

I hope I am wrong about Farke but I think he is pretty one dimensional in approach.

To be fair to Orta and Radz the policy of signing young talent has been partly beneficial with the likes of Summerville, Gnonto, Meslier, Struijk etc - it’s more the terms upon which we did it 🙈👀

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

I forgot about Sinisterra - think his transfer officially took place and thus the fee paid at the start of this window so add in another 20m.

[spaldy]

I do try to put that in perspective on the youth. Sometimes it's easy to forget that we've had KP, Raph, Clarke, Gray, Summerville, Gnonto, Meslier, Strujik break through big time football at our club.

We've also had some young talent that never really got a chance. when you play the same players over and over again regardless of whether they are getting the job done it does make you wonder. Can't help but think some of our current U-21's could play for us right now.

They did have some good youth player signings. Just hope they don't have a bad of contracts as the prem players did.

[ozleeds]

We are paying a very high price for Farkes failure to get us up last season , just how high that price is we will not know until the end of this transfer window , but if feels like disappointment is on the way.

Very hard to trust the 49ers but none of us are privy to the behind the scenes shenanigans , also doesn't help when there is virtually feck all loyalty anymore.

As the great Johnny Rotten said on the very last live song he sung with the pistols 'Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?'

Indeed.

I disagree. The same players people are crying about apart from Archie are the ones that dropped us down and did not get us promoted. We have made decent coin and some loses on Rocca Laurente. Only mistake 49ers have done is hire the German. We have good players and youngsters once given chances will hold us in good stead. Playing bogle and firpo ahead of Byram and wobble in our 2 despicable positions is one and playing a team of basically 1 2 4 3 1 is stupid to say the least. He is the cause of our demise and none promotion. He came out prior our last game and said hell switch it around and the RB LB's will play more attacking lol That's what the f you been doing moron.