Splinters

[spaldy]

Tuned into the spurs - hammers game to see what our former star players are doing. Summerville subs in second half after they are down 4-1 while Archie goes in with 5 minutes to go

I realize it’s more money, for the agent, but if you love to play the game…

[ozleeds]

Tuned into the spurs - hammers game to see what our former star players are doing. Summerville subs in second half after they are down 4-1 while Archie goes in with 5 minutes to go

I realize it’s more money, for the agent, but if you love to play the game…

Shocking Archie has done good for them given a chance but he seems like his not getting much. Good way to wish a top club and Stuffle your progression.

[Orgoner]

Archie left a season too soon for his own (and our) good in my opinion. Still hope it works out for him, but it must be frustrating, especially seeing the opportunities he could’ve had playing for us this season.

Ramazani does seem to be a decent near-replacement for Summerville, who may end up getting slightly more of a run with the Hammers than Archie will at Spurs.

[spaldy]

The hammers are poor. They will be in the relegation picture

[WTF11]

Why does anyone care? Gray f00ked off for more money, Summerville f00ked off for more money, Rutter f00ked off for more money, Phillips f00ked off for more money, Raphina f00ked off for more money. Anyone spot the pattern?

Once gone, of their own volition (unlike the likes of Alioski and others), then f00k them and f00k whatever their future might be.

[MrsORichSenior_]

Good point Spaldy.... so an honest reply.
Feel I needed to respond without rethinking that eternal workers hustle theory of 'should we work harder to retire early' question as many answers can be built on very shaky logic particularly in football today from all my sides of involvement..... particularly as a Mum.

I can say that young footballers want and need to play games regularly and who they play for is of vast importance in my experience.

Progression is dependent on age, position and differing club salary cut offs which vary for younger player skill sets........ but basically are finally dependent on the experiences gained for any said player and then decisions are made over a players future by the retaining club conducted well in advance dependent on skill set market values primarily and clubs financing structures.

My son would NOT have done what young Gray did.........as playing reguar games are needed to be in his locker despite him currently earning the basic average French Ligue 1 youth salary of circa 24,000 euros a year in the final year of his three year contract....... but of course keepers are deemed as later developers within the game and other playing positions are not..... so plenty of patience is needed despite lucrative offers circulated for such young men is my view on matters.

Horses for courses but within English football environs now for some younger ones it is a step to far when a more relaxed environ can be found in the European leagues particularly within younger players valued private free time..... as young Charlie Cresswell has discovered at Toulouse were his mental welfare is more accomodated within his circumstance ..... and
quite a few English players have followed such a route now with success.

Whitestomper on here will know exactly what I mean.......... as young player development requires more than possessing rare skills in today's game as of off the pitch PR hype involves stronger mind sets also...... more so than the music PR industry that I first cut my PR teeth on.... obviously both industries have their fair share of creeps and shysters lurking and only the brave can avoid them.... thats a side the public turns a blind eye far to readily and those struggling can swiftly become out of control with wrong advice being offered......... the public may scoff but my daughter knows many who succumbed to the pressures required to succeed..... as do I having to deal with my fears, frustration and accompanying worries endured over ninety minutes weekly watching and listening and surviving on those fleeting moments that take you on a proud high.

So bench warming is certainly NOT ideal or indeed the big deal for any hard working pro, Spaldy in my experience and unlike WTF thought..... your post was a good one that sparked interest.

MOT

[WTF11]

Good point Spaldy.... so an honest reply.
Feel I needed to respond without rethinking that eternal workers hustle theory of 'should we work harder to retire early' question as many answers can be built on very shaky logic particularly in football today from all my sides of involvement..... particularly as a Mum.

I can say that young footballers want and need to play games regularly and who they play for is of vast importance in my experience.

Progression is dependent on age, position and differing club salary cut offs which vary for younger player skill sets........ but basically are finally dependent on the experiences gained for any said player and then decisions are made over a players future by the retaining club conducted well in advance dependent on skill set market values primarily and clubs financing structures.

My son would NOT have done what young Gray did.........as playing reguar games are needed to be in his locker despite him currently earning the basic average French Ligue 1 youth salary of circa 24,000 euros a year in the final year of his three year contract....... but of course keepers are deemed as later developers within the game and other playing positions are not..... so plenty of patience is needed despite lucrative offers circulated for such young men is my view on matters.

Horses for courses but within English football environs now for some younger ones it is a step to far when a more relaxed environ can be found in the European leagues particularly within younger players valued private free time..... as young Charlie Cresswell has discovered at Toulouse were his mental welfare is more accomodated within his circumstance ..... and
quite a few English players have followed such a route now with success.

Whitestomper on here will know exactly what I mean.......... as young player development requires more than possessing rare skills in today's game as of off the pitch PR hype involves stronger mind sets also...... more so than the music PR industry that I first cut my PR teeth on.... obviously both industries have their fair share of creeps and shysters lurking and only the brave can avoid them.... thats a side the public turns a blind eye far to readily and those struggling can swiftly become out of control with wrong advice being offered......... the public may scoff but my daughter knows many who succumbed to the pressures required to succeed..... as do I having to deal with my fears, frustration and accompanying worries endured over ninety minutes weekly watching and listening and surviving on those fleeting moments that take you on a proud high.

So bench warming is certainly NOT ideal or indeed the big deal for any hard working pro, Spaldy in my experience and unlike WTF thought..... your post was a good one that sparked interest.

MOT

Professional footballers, as you would suggest, want to play, because it is inherent in their DNA that playing is what they are destined for. Not to inherit a place on a substitutes bench. Yet we see so many ex-Leeds payers inhabit such environments, not because they belong there but because they agents have negotiated their way there.

I don't really care whether you or anyone else agrees with me, that should be blatantly obvious, but the FACTS and the EVIDENCE of what has happened not just to LUFC departures but to huge numbers of those who have been persuaded that the "grass is greener", and discovered no such thing should show us all (in and outside football) that we inhabit a very disingenuous world.

[Pacaman]

Things have changed. Players are no longer treated as humans, they have been commoditised. Assets of a club that are bought and sold by the hierarchy within a club. The manager and back room staff might care about players but it ends there.

So maybe we can’t blame players exploiting an opportunity to earn big bucks and move on. In turn they appear to show no loyalty to a club but that’s all part of being the commodity they have been forced to become. Truth is they are human beings and mentally some will not endure what is a harsh process.

As MT would say, just my opinion, just saying.

[norfolk white]

At the end of the day it’s all about the money and loyalty doesn’t exist anymore, the days of letissier and dare I say it giggs are long gone.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Good luck to the land and hope he goes on to have a stellar career - tend to agree with Orgs that may have been premature but much as I miss Archie loving the new dynamic duo of Tanaka and Rothwell in the middle and Bogle coming on too.