Scottish Football Without Celtic and Rangers/sevco

[Shedboy_Shimmy]

Apologies if this has been previously posted....

Probably never going to happen, but personally I'd love to see the back of both of them!

Apparently, I'm not the only one ...Nine months ago, a guy on a Scottish Football forum on Reddit, (paulhalt), has worked out trophies won by all teams in Scotland minus the OF. He hasn't removed every single result of games the OF were involved in, but has used a fair(ish) rule of thumb method, which seems relatively fair. Here are his rules...

I've done a simple exercise to see what Scottish football would look like if Rangers and Celtic had never existed. To come up with the trophy tallies, I've done the following:

1 - The highest placed team outside the Old Firm is the league champion

2 - Any team that lost a cup final to the Old Firm is awarded that trophy

3 - Where there was an Old Firm final, the semi-final loser to whichever of the Old Firm won the final wins the trophy

4 - In the case of the 1909 Scottish Cup, where the trophy wasn't awarded, I gave it to Clyde because they were higher in the league than the other losing semi-finalist, Falkirk





As you might expect, Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs are Scottish football's big three, winning 152 out of 344 domestic trophies (44%). Motherwell and Dundee Utd account for another 51 trophies, with Kilmarnock, Dundee and even Airdrie having played a significant part in Scottish football history.

Hearts have won the most league titles with 29, but their best is a mere four in a row, a feat matched by Airdrie, Hibs (twice), Kilmarnock and Aberdeen. However, the record for consecutive titles goes to the sensational Motherwell team of the late 1920s and 1930s, winning eight consecutive titles along with two doubles. Aberdeen won 13 league titles out of 20 between 1976 and 1996.

Aberdeen are the cup kings, with 33 cup wins, ahead of Hearts (22), Hibs (21) and Dundee Utd (20). Lots of Scotland's smaller clubs have enjoyed several days in the sun, and even minnows Cowdenbeath, Montrose and Forfar won League Cups in the 1970s, with Queen of the South winning the 2008 Scottish Cup.

Aberdeen have secured three trebles, in 1990, 1993 and 2017, and who can forget the sensational St Johnstone treble of 1999, which is often confused with Man Utd's lesser treble the same year.

The 2023-2024 season finished with Hearts comfortably winning their 29th league title, while Aberdeen completed a domestic cup double.

League & Scottish Cup doubles: Aberdeen (4), Hearts (4), Motherwell (2), Third Lanark (2), Airdrie (1), Clyde (1), Dundee Utd (1), Hibs (1)

League & League Cup doubles: Aberdeen (4), Hearts (3), Dundee Utd (2), Hibs (2), Kilmarnock (1)

Scottish Cup & League Cup doubles: Aberdeen (4), Motherwell (3), Dundee Utd (2), Clyde (1), East Fife (1), St Johnstone (1)

Trebles: Aberdeen (3), St Johnstone (1)



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https://www.reddit.com/r/ScottishFoo...the/?rdt=44581

[moicher]

We can dream eh?

Apologies if this has been previously posted....

Probably never going to happen, but personally I'd love to see the back of both of them!

Apparently, I'm not the only one ...Nine months ago, a guy on a Scottish Football forum on Reddit, (paulhalt), has worked out trophies won by all teams in Scotland minus the OF. He hasn't removed every single result of games the OF were involved in, but has used a fair(ish) rule of thumb method, which seems relatively fair. Here are his rules...

I've done a simple exercise to see what Scottish football would look like if Rangers and Celtic had never existed. To come up with the trophy tallies, I've done the following:

1 - The highest placed team outside the Old Firm is the league champion

2 - Any team that lost a cup final to the Old Firm is awarded that trophy

3 - Where there was an Old Firm final, the semi-final loser to whichever of the Old Firm won the final wins the trophy

4 - In the case of the 1909 Scottish Cup, where the trophy wasn't awarded, I gave it to Clyde because they were higher in the league than the other losing semi-finalist, Falkirk





As you might expect, Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs are Scottish football's big three, winning 152 out of 344 domestic trophies (44%). Motherwell and Dundee Utd account for another 51 trophies, with Kilmarnock, Dundee and even Airdrie having played a significant part in Scottish football history.

Hearts have won the most league titles with 29, but their best is a mere four in a row, a feat matched by Airdrie, Hibs (twice), Kilmarnock and Aberdeen. However, the record for consecutive titles goes to the sensational Motherwell team of the late 1920s and 1930s, winning eight consecutive titles along with two doubles. Aberdeen won 13 league titles out of 20 between 1976 and 1996.

Aberdeen are the cup kings, with 33 cup wins, ahead of Hearts (22), Hibs (21) and Dundee Utd (20). Lots of Scotland's smaller clubs have enjoyed several days in the sun, and even minnows Cowdenbeath, Montrose and Forfar won League Cups in the 1970s, with Queen of the South winning the 2008 Scottish Cup.

Aberdeen have secured three trebles, in 1990, 1993 and 2017, and who can forget the sensational St Johnstone treble of 1999, which is often confused with Man Utd's lesser treble the same year.

The 2023-2024 season finished with Hearts comfortably winning their 29th league title, while Aberdeen completed a domestic cup double.

League & Scottish Cup doubles: Aberdeen (4), Hearts (4), Motherwell (2), Third Lanark (2), Airdrie (1), Clyde (1), Dundee Utd (1), Hibs (1)

League & League Cup doubles: Aberdeen (4), Hearts (3), Dundee Utd (2), Hibs (2), Kilmarnock (1)

Scottish Cup & League Cup doubles: Aberdeen (4), Motherwell (3), Dundee Utd (2), Clyde (1), East Fife (1), St Johnstone (1)

Trebles: Aberdeen (3), St Johnstone (1)



Struggling to insert photos...
The Original article can be found here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ScottishFoo...the/?rdt=44581