Ok, not football at all, but it matters, eventually.

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Ok I know that it's going to be covered elsewhere but for my (many), sins I watched the Trump v Harris tv debate.

Is it remotely possible that the great American public would ever consider the election to the most powerful head of state the most abysmal, racist, mysoginistic individual I have had the misfortune to witness (and no, I'm not talking about Harris!)

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And being the US of A they can't do 90 minutes without an advert break, laughable!.

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OMFG, this comb-over makes Boris look like Einstein (on steroids)!

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If.the American public buy the sh1t that we have seen from this deluded blonde comb-over, then god help the rest of the world.

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Might want to stay in your lane on this one.

It's obvious you haven't studied the policies and the track record of both. I'll save you some time. One has has no policies and no track record of legislation. Her videos and interviews show an extreme socialist belief system along with a total ban of fracking as well as no limitation on abortion and public funding of it as well as paying for *** change operations. These policies are considered extreme by the majority of Americans. It's fine if you believe that, but then state that position as a candidate. The other candidates policies are spelled out in detail and there is a 4 year track record of those in practice. You might also want to note that during his 4 years we didn't have a single war or "police action" started.

The option is someone who's primary attribute involves Parisian street walker skills. She is a babbling cackling fool that pretends to be black while her grandfather owned 200 slaves that were forced to worked a sugar cane plantation. She has never had an original thought or policy in her life. She is just a tool for her masters. I know it will stun you but no one in my extended family ever owned a slave and I'm not aware of a single American who's family owned a slave. it's an extremely small percentage of the population and only involved the most affluent land owners of the day. She probably represents less than 1% of the population having a family member that owned a slave.

The real question is, with a population of over 200 million eligible candidates for president we ended up with these two as our choice. They are both reprehensible candidates for one of the most powerful leaders in the world. It's obvious that someone else is picking who they want for high offices in this country.

And yes, whether you hate America or not, a world leader without competence or leadership skills will end up affecting the entire world eventually.

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Might want to stay in your lane on this one.

It's obvious you haven't studied the policies and the track record of both. I'll save you some time. One has has no policies and no track record of legislation. Her videos and interviews show an extreme socialist belief system along with a total ban of fracking as well as no limitation on abortion and public funding of it as well as paying for *** change operations. These policies are considered extreme by the majority of Americans. It's fine if you believe that, but then state that position as a candidate. The other candidates policies are spelled out in detail and there is a 4 year track record of those in practice. You might also want to note that during his 4 years we didn't have a single war or "police action" started.

The option is someone who's primary attribute involves Parisian street walker skills. She is a babbling cackling fool that pretends to be black while her grandfather owned 200 slaves that were forced to worked a sugar cane plantation. She has never had an original thought or policy in her life. She is just a tool for her masters. I know it will stun you but no one in my extended family ever owned a slave and I'm not aware of a single American who's family owned a slave. it's an extremely small percentage of the population and only involved the most affluent land owners of the day. She probably represents less than 1% of the population having a family member that owned a slave.

The real question is, with a population of over 200 million eligible candidates for president we ended up with these two as our choice. They are both reprehensible candidates for one of the most powerful leaders in the world. It's obvious that someone else is picking who they want for high offices in this country.

And yes, whether you hate America or not, a world leader without competence or leadership skills will end up affecting the entire world eventually.

"Might want to stay in your lane", aka shut the f00k up because its the good old US of A and not the UK or Europe?

As you were kind enough to acknowledge in your last sentence a world leader without competence or leadership skills will end up affecting the entire world eventually, so what offerings are on display as a result of the two parties primary results is of some import to the rest of us, I would suggest?

I hold no brief for Harris, however I would imagine that "no limits on abortion" don't reflect her views (or you would suggest execution of infants born at nine-months is fact?), and as for fracking, apart from Pennsylvania which has a major interest in the technique I suspect the majority of the states would be quite happy to see that particular fossil fuel extraction technique, with its known impact on groundwater pollution and equally well documented effects on the stability of the underlying rock structures, consigned to the same short term future as oil, gas and coal. No, I'm no environment evangelist, but even the orange comb-over has acknowledged that we, the human race, are creating unsustainable climate change (despite his being bought and sold by the petro chemicals industry via the contributions to his campaign funds).

Public funding for s e x change operations. In 2019, just over 13,000 such operations took place, always after consultation and counselling, and always after the causes of gender dysmorphia were investigated and understood (as much as that is possible). In 2020, in the United States, there were more than 300,000 procedures involving breast augmentation and reconstruction surgeries. You would suggest that neither should be subject to public funding, so women having undergone mastectomy operations should fund reconstructive surgery themselves? Get a grip. If publicly funded s e x change operations was the biggest problem for anywhere including the USA, we'd all be a f00king sight happier. And his record during his brief tenure at the White House? Enjoying the benefits bestowed upon him by his predecessor, and a period of relative calm in the world BEFORE he took office, he oversaw the crumbling and dissolution of the relative stability in Afghanistan and his catastrophic non-handover to Biden led directly (ask some of the military there at the time) to the chaos in Kabul and directly or otherwise to the deaths of American service personnel and many Afghans who worked with those forces for many years. And he managed to do that without having to deal with a worldwide pandemic and subsequently the Russian invasion of Ukraine (God only knows how things would have turned out had he won a second term).

And FFS are we never going to put the issue of a 200-year old wrong behind us? Slavery was bad, agreed. Some who benefitted from slavery continue to do so, also bad. Harris isn't one of them, neither are many of those in the country who have nonetheless been castigated by "Black Lives Matter" activists and that castigation has formed the basis for retaliatory action by far right extremists. Just when will all that stop? Perhaps when we ALL decide that were are responsible for our actions and how treat each other NOW, not for those who we may or not be related to some 200 years (and longer) ago! Trumps racist actions show no signs of even understanding what the solutions might be, only of fomenting discord as he has before, during and after the debate, which has led directly to bomb threats being made against locations in Ohio which in turn has led to schools being evacuated and closed.

Harris isn't perfect, such a human doesn't exist. However of the two candidates for the Presidency, the risks she represents, either to the people of the USA or to those in the rest of the world pale into insignificance when compared to Trump, and the exodus of Republican support by senior, respected, serious individuals from ALL walks of life who have publicly denounced him and his "policies", shows that at last the Republican party and its grass roots supporters have finally woken up and smelled the coffee.

I don't say this flippantly, as for one, I love America, but God save the United States of America, consign Trump to the dustbin of history.

Enough of "staying in my lane"?

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And Trumps "policies"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Interesting (and scary) reading

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And his view on gun crime and the deaths of innocents?

"Trump said in Sioux Center, Iowa, on January 5, a day after a shooting at a nearby high school killed Ahmir Jolliff, an 11-year-old middle-school student, and principal Dan Marburger, who died ten days later. (Four other students and two staffers were injured.)

“I want to send our support and our deepest sympathies to the victims and families touched by the terrible school shooting yesterday in Perry, Iowa,” Trump said. “It’s just horrible, so surprising to see it here. But we have to get over it, we have to move forward.”

"GET OVER IT"???????

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You know fcuk all about US politics too - who would have thought it …..,

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OW,

Many of my Brit friends really struggle with the "freedom of speech" thing. They profess to understand it and the superficially do but they can't really grasp the full significance of it. They don't understand it's the building block of the US. It's the first amendment for a reason and the second amendment was not granted to "protect your home or kill animals for food on your table". The second was put in to protect against the "tyranny of goverment". They knew you would have to fight to protect the first amendment.

The journalists were given absolute protection against the government and litigation. The founders did not envision that the journalists would become tools and propagandists. They are the lowest form of life in our country. They have sold their souls for 30 pieces of silver. They knew all of the above was lies and tripe and they know that Trump is not going to destroy democracy. No single person can do that but a cabal of soulless federal politicians and bureacrats can. They need a puppet to appear to lead while they run everything. They had the perfect one in a senile old fool that couldn't pass a drivers license or basic cognitive test. Now they have one that's never gotten a primary vote for president in her career and they've propped her up as the second coming.

I think the 17th amendment was the beginning of the end for us. As you know we aren't a "democracy". We are a representative republic and the Senate was created to act as a balancing act on the will of the people vs what's best for the country. They aren't always the same and without that balance "mob rule" tends to take over. The most important thing is that we have learned we have the power of the purse and can just vote ourselves the treasury. Politicians do this all the time to curry votes and no one worries about the $37,000,000,000,000 debt we've left our kids and grandkids. That will never be paid off on the day of reckoning when the world financial community collapses because it's all just paper money and IOU's will be incredibly ugly.

I will discontinue my doom and gloom rants. It's depressing and nothing anyone can do about it.