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    Notts County Managers 2010-2020

    So as the curtain of the 10’s comes down it’s time to look back at the managers we have had over the past decade and their stats.

    In this decade we have had 14 permanent managers and 7 caretakers. If it’s one thing the club must learn going into a new decade it’s that this must come down, not for the sake of it, but by appointing the right managers in the first place. This high turnover has led us from winning the league two title and promotion to league one at the start of the decade to occupying a playoff place in the National League at the end of it.

    Who would have thought that would be our fate at the promotion party weekend after Torquay? Not me for one moment.

    Only four managers completed 46 games and only Kevin Nolan completed an entire season.

    Steve Cotteril tops the list in terms of win ratios whereas Harry Kewell is bottom (disregarding caretaker managers)

    In my opinion the list shows the sackings of Craig Short, Keith Curle were the wrong decisions. None of those two were on what could be classed as bad loosing runs. I remember when Keith Curle was sacked it was referred to by senior players as due to a few fans on a message-board and that the club would regret it. We’ve never been as high in the football league since. How right they were.

    Kevin Nolan was the longest serving manager of the decade. I guess under Hardy it could be argued whether Nolan deserved more time or not. His win ratio stats were impressive.

    To the present and Neal Ardley has been our 3rd longest serving manager of the decade and is currently sandwiched between Martin Allen and Paul Ince in terms of win ratio. Coincidentally this is right around our average win ratio over the decade.

    So who do you think is the best manager, your favourite manager, the worst manager. the most disliked, the most entertaining, who played the best football, the worst football over the decade?

    Games Played (1st Jan 10 - 31st Dec 19)
    P533, W194, D124, L215
    Win Ratio = 36.4%

    Win Ratios (All competitions)

    1.) Steve Cotteril 77.78%
    2.) Dave Kevan 54.55% - Caretaker
    3.) Steve Hodge 50% - Caretaker
    4.) Keith Curle 45.1%
    5.) Kevin Nolan 41.7%
    6.) Craig Short 41.18%
    7.) Martin Allen 37.21%
    8.) Neal Ardley 35.1%
    9.) Paul Ince 34.48%
    10.) Shaun Derry 33.77%
    11.) Mark Cooper 30%
    12.) Ricardo Moniz 29.41%
    13.) Chris Kiwomya 26.47%
    14.) John Sheridan 25%
    15.) Jamie Fullarton 23.08%
    16.) Harry Kewell 21.4%
    17.) Steve Chettle 20% - Caretaker
    18.) Paul Hart 0% - Caretaker
    19.) Mick Halsall 0% - Caretaker
    20.) Alan Smith 0% - Caretaker
    21.) Carl Heggs 0% - Caretaker


    Games Managed
    1.) Kevin Nolan 84
    2.) Shaun Derry 77
    3.) Neal Ardley 57
    4.) Keith Curle 51
    5.) Martin Allen 43
    6.) Chris Kiwomya 34
    7.) Ricardo Moniz 34
    8.) John Sheridan 32
    9.) Paul Ince 29
    10.) Steve Cotteril 18
    11.) Craig Short 18
    12.) Harry Kewell 14
    13.) Jamie Fullarton 12
    14.) Dave Kevan 11 - Caretaker
    15.) Mark Cooper 10
    16.) Steve Chettle 5 - Caretaker
    17.) Paul Hart 3 - Caretaker
    18.) Steve Hodge 2 - Caretaker
    19.) Carl Heggs 2 - Caretaker
    20.) Alan Smith 1 - Caretaker
    21.) Mick Halsall 1 - Caretaker
    Last edited by MAD_MAGPIE; 30-12-2019 at 05:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAD_MAGPIE View Post
    So as the curtain of the 10’s comes down it’s time to look back at the managers we have had over the past decade and their stats.

    In this decade we have had 14 permanent managers and 7 caretakers. If it’s one thing the club must learn going into a new decade it’s that this must come down, not for the sake of it, but by appointing the right managers in the first place. This high turnover has led us from winning the league two title and promotion to league one at the start of the decade to occupying a playoff place in the National League at the end of it.

    Who would have thought that would be our fate at the promotion party weekend after Torquay? Not me for one moment.

    Only four managers completed 46 games and only Kevin Nolan completed an entire season.

    Steve Cotteril tops the list in terms of win ratios whereas Harry Kewell is bottom (disregarding caretaker managers)

    In my opinion the list shows the sackings of Craig Short, Keith Curle were the wrong decisions. None of those two were on what could be classed as bad loosing runs. I remember when Keith Curle was sacked it was referred to by senior players as due to a few fans on a message-board and that the club would regret it. We’ve never been as high in the football league since. How right they were.

    Kevin Nolan was the longest serving manager of the decade. I guess under Hardy it could be argued whether Nolan deserved more time or not. His win ratio stats were impressive.

    To the present and Neal Ardley has been our 3rd longest serving manager of the decade and is currently sandwiched between Martin Allen and Paul Ince in terms of win ratio. Coincidentally this is right around our average win ratio over the decade.

    So who do you think is the best manager, your favourite manager, the worst manager. the most disliked, the most entertaining, who played the best football, the worst football over the decade?

    Games Played (1st Jan 10 - 31st Dec 19)
    P533, W194, D124, L215
    Win Ratio = 36.4%

    Win Ratios (All competitions)

    1.) Steve Cotteril 77.78%
    2.) Dave Kevan 54.55% - Caretaker
    3.) Steve Hodge 50% - Caretaker
    4.) Keith Curle 45.1%
    5.) Kevin Nolan 41.7%
    6.) Craig Short 41.18%
    7.) Martin Allen 37.21%
    8.) Neal Ardley 35.1%
    9.) Paul Ince 34.48%
    10.) Shaun Derry 33.77%
    11.) Mark Cooper 30%
    12.) Ricardo Moniz 29.41%
    13.) Chris Kiwomya 26.47%
    14.) John Sheridan 25%
    15.) Jamie Fullarton 23.08%
    16.) Harry Kewell 21.4%
    17.) Steve Chettle 20% - Caretaker
    18.) Paul Hart 0% - Caretaker
    19.) Mick Halsall 0% - Caretaker
    20.) Alan Smith 0% - Caretaker
    21.) Carl Heggs 0% - Caretaker


    Games Managed
    1.) Kevin Nolan 84
    2.) Shaun Derry 77
    3.) Neal Ardley 57
    4.) Keith Curle 51
    5.) Martin Allen 43
    6.) Chris Kiwomya 34
    7.) Ricardo Moniz 34
    8.) John Sheridan 32
    9.) Paul Ince 29
    10.) Steve Cotteril 18
    11.) Craig Short 18
    12.) Harry Kewell 14
    13.) Jamie Fullarton 12
    14.) Dave Kevan 11 - Caretaker
    15.) Mark Cooper 10
    16.) Steve Chettle 5 - Caretaker
    17.) Paul Hart 3 - Caretaker
    18.) Steve Hodge 2 - Caretaker
    19.) Carl Heggs 2 - Caretaker
    20.) Alan Smith 1 - Caretaker
    21.) Mick Halsall 1 - Caretaker
    Thank god we didnt have Corbyn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAD_MAGPIE View Post
    So as the curtain of the 10’s comes down it’s time to look back at the managers we have had over the past decade and their stats.

    In this decade we have had 14 permanent managers and 7 caretakers. If it’s one thing the club must learn going into a new decade it’s that this must come down, not for the sake of it, but by appointing the right managers in the first place. This high turnover has led us from winning the league two title and promotion to league one at the start of the decade to occupying a playoff place in the National League at the end of it.

    Who would have thought that would be our fate at the promotion party weekend after Torquay? Not me for one moment.

    Only four managers completed 46 games and only Kevin Nolan completed an entire season.

    Steve Cotteril tops the list in terms of win ratios whereas Harry Kewell is bottom (disregarding caretaker managers)

    In my opinion the list shows the sackings of Craig Short, Keith Curle were the wrong decisions. None of those two were on what could be classed as bad loosing runs. I remember when Keith Curle was sacked it was referred to by senior players as due to a few fans on a message-board and that the club would regret it. We’ve never been as high in the football league since. How right they were.

    Kevin Nolan was the longest serving manager of the decade. I guess under Hardy it could be argued whether Nolan deserved more time or not. His win ratio stats were impressive.

    To the present and Neal Ardley has been our 3rd longest serving manager of the decade and is currently sandwiched between Martin Allen and Paul Ince in terms of win ratio. Coincidentally this is right around our average win ratio over the decade.

    So who do you think is the best manager, your favourite manager, the worst manager. the most disliked, the most entertaining, who played the best football, the worst football over the decade?

    Games Played (1st Jan 10 - 31st Dec 19)
    P533, W194, D124, L215
    Win Ratio = 36.4%

    Win Ratios (All competitions)

    1.) Steve Cotteril 77.78%
    2.) Dave Kevan 54.55% - Caretaker
    3.) Steve Hodge 50% - Caretaker
    4.) Keith Curle 45.1%
    5.) Kevin Nolan 41.7%
    6.) Craig Short 41.18%
    7.) Martin Allen 37.21%
    8.) Neal Ardley 35.1%
    9.) Paul Ince 34.48%
    10.) Shaun Derry 33.77%
    11.) Mark Cooper 30%
    12.) Ricardo Moniz 29.41%
    13.) Chris Kiwomya 26.47%
    14.) John Sheridan 25%
    15.) Jamie Fullarton 23.08%
    16.) Harry Kewell 21.4%
    17.) Steve Chettle 20% - Caretaker
    18.) Paul Hart 0% - Caretaker
    19.) Mick Halsall 0% - Caretaker
    20.) Alan Smith 0% - Caretaker
    21.) Carl Heggs 0% - Caretaker


    Games Managed
    1.) Kevin Nolan 84
    2.) Shaun Derry 77
    3.) Neal Ardley 57
    4.) Keith Curle 51
    5.) Martin Allen 43
    6.) Chris Kiwomya 34
    7.) Ricardo Moniz 34
    8.) John Sheridan 32
    9.) Paul Ince 29
    10.) Steve Cotteril 18
    11.) Craig Short 18
    12.) Harry Kewell 14
    13.) Jamie Fullarton 12
    14.) Dave Kevan 11 - Caretaker
    15.) Mark Cooper 10
    16.) Steve Chettle 5 - Caretaker
    17.) Paul Hart 3 - Caretaker
    18.) Steve Hodge 2 - Caretaker
    19.) Carl Heggs 2 - Caretaker
    20.) Alan Smith 1 - Caretaker
    21.) Mick Halsall 1 - Caretaker
    My take on it is

    the best manager - Cotteril (but just look at the competition)
    favourite manager - Short
    worst manager - Fullarton (Ince collapsed completely but in was good for a short time)
    most disliked - Derry (with a lot of competition)
    most entertaining - Moniz
    played the best football - Cotteril
    the worst football - Fullarton, probably. Many others, including Curle

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePass View Post
    Thank god we didnt have Corbyn.
    Right at the death, we have a very, very strong contender in "the most stupid and pointless post of the year" category.

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    My favourite, for his relegation-averting achievements on the pitch and his personality off it, was Martin Allen - another one dismissed in curious circumstances at a time when there was no need to panic (on the football front anyway).

    The worst for me was Jamie Fullarton, narrowly ahead of Chris Kiwomya, because neither had done anything to warrant being considered for the role, let alone given it, and they both lived down to expectations.

    The most disliked for me could be Fullarton, although I had a shred of sympathy for him because he should never have been placed in that position and he inherited a poisonous atmosphere from day one. I also disliked Paul Ince, whose opinion of himself far outweighed his ability as a manager. His record would have been much worse if he hadn't managed to get his son to play for us for a while.

    The best and most entertaining football is probably a case of what could have been, with Ricardo Moniz. The guy was a football idealist who was probably trying to achieve the impossible in the nether regions of English football, but I had to admire his bravery and to this day I still wonder what he could have created if he had been given the time managers just don't get, and if he hadn't had to work with Guy Branston interfering. Every player who voiced an opinion seemed to agree he was an outstanding and engaging coach.

    And the worst football was probably a toss up between Shaun Derry and Kevin Nolan, but to be fair they both got results for a period time, and Derry had to work with a fast diminishing budget, so you have to bear their circumstances in mind before judging them.

    As I said on another thread, I think the biggest change at this football club is the one that has only recently happened, with the arrival of new owners. They seem to have a far less emotional, less impulsive attitude and have given all the indications that they will put their faith in Neal Ardley for at least the medium term unless the team's form takes a catastrophic turn for the worse. On that basis, it would not surprise me at all if Neal Ardley went on to easily beat Kevin Nolan's longevity.
    Last edited by jackal2; 30-12-2019 at 05:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    Right at the death, we have a very, very strong contender in "the most stupid and pointless post of the year" category.
    Of the decade, more like. It has a lot of competition though - from all his own other posts of the past decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    My favourite, for his relegation-averting achievements on the pitch and his personality off it, was Martin Allen - another one dismissed in curious circumstances at a time when there was no need to panic (on the football front anyway).

    The worst for me was Jamie Fullarton, narrowly ahead of Chris Kiwomya, because neither had done anything to warrant being considered for the role, let alone given it, and they both lived down to expectations.

    The most disliked for me could be Fullarton, although I had a shred of sympathy for him because he should never have been placed in that position and he inherited a poisonous atmosphere from day one.
    Allen was sacked for non-footballing reasons.

    Fullarton was without doubt the most disliked, fans were singing for him to "get out of our club" even in his first game in charge (which we won) and who can forget that moment when the biggest cheer of the day was when he kept falling over on the touchline trying to retrieve the ball. I agree with you though that he should never have been given the job in the first place and I did feel sorry for him on a personal level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tied_up_in_notts View Post
    Allen was sacked for non-footballing reasons.
    Yes I recall the talk of an incident in the dressing room at Bournemouth, but even if it was true, I still suspected that the decision to dismiss rather than discipline could have reflected a personality clash with the chairman. Was the club just not big enough for the both of them?

    I'll never forget what Martin Allen achieved to get us out of the relegation zone having arrived with just six games to go, taking over the demoralised mess left by Paul Ince. We were lower than a snake's belly when he arrived, but through sheer force of will and personality he lifted the players, got the fans back onside and got us safe with a game to spare. Red Adair stuff!

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    I loved having Martin Allen as manager, he really stamped his personality on the club and I genuinely believe that he loved being here. He did do a great job in keeping us up and bringing everyone at the club together again, and I think he could probably have taken us up given a little more time. Unfortunately however he did have some failings - Let's just say his sacking was for financial reasons and leave it at that, it's water under the bridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tied_up_in_notts View Post
    Let's just say his sacking was for financial reasons and leave it at that, it's water under the bridge.
    Oh right. I'll take your word for it!

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