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I never thought I would say this, but I agree 100% with Boris Johnson when he said:
"I don't think biological males should be competing in female sporting events. Maybe that's a controversial thing to say, but it just seems to me to be sensible. I also happen to think that women should have spaces - whether it's in hospitals, prison or changing rooms - which are dedicated to women".
I'm now going to wash my mouth out with soap for saying that I agree with Boris Johnson.
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Well sure, it's a pretty NON-controversial statement if you consider it...almost everyone would agree with that.Originally Posted by Elite_Pie
Dunno why a narcissistic, pathological liar should be associated with the bleedin' obvious and be allowed to appropriate it. And please don't say 'credit where it's due'. No credit is due. Don't spare the soap
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We have a transgender person staying with us at the moment. He is finding the current political u-turn over conversion therapy very distressing. It’s hard for me to see it all from his point of view, but I’m trying not to spout off my opinions without thinking them through a bit more than Johnson has managed to do yet. I suppose it’s good that Johnson is actually thinking for once.
Seriously, trans issues are way more complex than they appear on the surface. Biology is more complex than XX vs XY. And I don’t even know to what extent gender dysphoria is associated with biological factors. People on both sides of the fence use language imprecisely and present simplistic views. What is absolutely clear to me is that it’s very difficult to be fair to everyone, and that in attempting to be fair it’s hard to avoid being very intrusive (see Caster Semenya).
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He's right of course, on all counts. I'm baffled that anyone should think otherwise really.
Male puberty confers a sporting advantage on males, theres irrefutable evidence on that. Reducing testosterone doesn't make for fair competition, and women and girls are being denied their rightful places by people like Lia Thomas who was ranked 554th as a male swimmer, and 1st as a trans woman swimmer against females.
As for single s e x places, again, it's a complete no brainer. Last year a woman was r a p e d on a single s e x hospital ward in England. The hospital told the police it could not have happened as there was no male in the hospital. They covered up the fact that an intact male who identified as female was on the ward, and denied that it had happened for a year. Fortunately, there was CCTV, and some staff bravely came forward to tell the truth.
I've mentioned Karen White before - a male s e x offender who was put in a women's prison. Guess what happened next ...
Labour have a real problem with this, but it's a mess of their own making. If they don't want to protect women and their daughters, how can women vote for them? The Tories can sense an opportunity here, and it's interesting that Sajid Javid and Dominic Raab have also commented on this today.
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You're discussing the rights or otherwise of transgender people. I would hope most would accept that respect is deserved but Boris raises, as many elite athletes do, the question of level playing fields in sports, especially womem's sports as well as spaces for women (born and remain women) to feel safe and secure. Sharron Davies has very strong views on this.
I'm not sure why BoJo should want to jump into this issue. It would seem to be one best left to the experts and politicians should merely be ensuring the experts can fairly address the issues.
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I don’t think you need to be an expert, it’s common sense to most. Unfortunately we now live in a society of ‘excuses’ and ‘entitlement’.
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Boris has said what most think. LBGT will no doubt kick up a stink. However, physically men are generally taller, faster and stronger. It’s not ***ist or discriminatory to say so. I find it more distressing that a former male trans MMA fighter can kick the **** out of a woman and break her skull. Ordinarily that would cause up roar. Not in this instance as ‘it’s sport’.
Clearly I have no idea how someone who has the urges to ‘change’ feels. In most walks of life most of us would accept that people can be who they feel they should be. However, in sport, where the aforementioned advantages are evident those who have changed *** and gain a clear advantage in sport IMO should be banned from competing.
It’s getting to the stage where any of us could say we are a woman and want to compete in womens sport. After all, who are any of us to say what or who we are?!!!
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Hornet’s nest there Elite. Johnson and the Tories don’t really care about this, but they know it’s a classical wedge issue for Labour. So now we’ll have a nuanced and difficult problem for lots of people reduced to asking the LOTO ‘can a woman have a pen is’ and other such nonsense.
Talking about this means we might not talk about people not being able to heat/eat, higher taxes, Brexit farce, partygate, ongoing covid fiasco etc etc.
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Not just sport !
Without JK Rowling that talentless trio of Radcliffe , Grint, and Watson , would probably be stacking shelves in Tesco, yet they turn on her like some kind of literary leper.
Pronouns have now become more important than women's dignity, and safety
Notsohumblepie ( he, him, his)
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True. I was probably too gobsmacked at agreeing with Boris Johnson to think it through.
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