Shares

[Young_Nudger]

Reports on BBS - more movement on that front.
Summerts happening.

[NerfHerder]

Owners putting more cash in it seems.

Wouldn’t say they get everything right (who does I guess) but I’m not sure anyone can argue with the money they’ve put into the club now. Must be nearly £15 million in the last couple of years.

[Young_Nudger]

Owners putting more cash in it seems.

Wouldn’t say they get everything right (who does I guess) but I’m not sure anyone can argue with the money they’ve put into the club now. Must be nearly £15 million in the last couple of years.

Yep - they arn’t going to get everything right - I’m sure us fans will post on social media when they don’t - Collins being a prime example.
But generally - as you said - not sure anyone can argue with the money they have put in.

Sadly - some will.

[SBRed48]

Another clutch of Share Certificates in (mainly) Parekh's hands.

I find it concerning that yet again the cash flow in the club can only be sustained by repeated equity injections, this time £3mill around August.
It is not a model of finance that can be repeated time after time. The promotion "sh1t or bust financially" scenario could well come home to roost if promotion is not achieved this season.

It is now just over £13 million that has been put in as Shares, around £3 million of that by Lee/ Conway taking up their Rights to purchase under the Share Issue Regulations. Lee/ Conway now seem to have recently stopped taking up their Rights leaving Parekh etc to finance the whole amounts. Some from the Brian Mahoney BFC Defence League on BBS claim its a good thing that Lee/ Conway's Shares are now diluted to around 10% of the club but does that really matter ?

Most clubs do not cover expenditure by their income but it is concerning that over £13 mill of equity in the club has had to be put in over the last 18 months. Transfer income is clearly not covering costs as is the supposed model of financial sustainability at Barnsley FC. Is it promotion sh1t or bust this season ?

[Young_Nudger]

Couple of things:

I know Brian Mahoney and his wife - and he generally makes some good points and knows what he’s talking about.

Neerav is an intelligent person who attended London School of Economics and knows what he’s doing.
He wouldn’t pour £££millions into a venture that was sh1t or bust - has you eloquently put it.

[SBRed48]

Couple of things:

I know Brian Mahoney and his wife - and he generally makes some good points and knows what he’s talking about.

Neerav is an intelligent person who attended London School of Economics and knows what he’s doing.
He wouldn’t pour £££millions into a venture that was sh1t or bust - has you eloquently put it.

Brian Mahoney and his BFC Defence League members (about a dozen) never bring themselves to be able to say the club has done something wrong. Instead they group and attack people personally rather than about the issue under discussion. If Parekh shat on Brian Mahoney's shoes he would thank him for doing it.

Parekh's wealth comes from his family businesses in India. Hitching up with Conway and Lee in the original Consortium does not show financial acumen. Even I knew Conway was a wrong 'un.

Question to ponder--Are YN and BMW the same person using different accounts ?

[EthelRed]

Another clutch of Share Certificates in (mainly) Parekh's hands.

I find it concerning that yet again the cash flow in the club can only be sustained by repeated equity injections, this time £3mill around August.
It is not a model of finance that can be repeated time after time. The promotion "sh1t or bust financially" scenario could well come home to roost if promotion is not achieved this season.

It is now just over £13 million that has been put in as Shares, around £3 million of that by Lee/ Conway taking up their Rights to purchase under the Share Issue Regulations. Lee/ Conway now seem to have recently stopped taking up their Rights leaving Parekh etc to finance the whole amounts. Some from the Brian Mahoney BFC Defence League on BBS claim its a good thing that Lee/ Conway's Shares are now diluted to around 10% of the club but does that really matter ?

Most clubs do not cover expenditure by their income but it is concerning that over £13 mill of equity in the club has had to be put in over the last 18 months. Transfer income is clearly not covering costs as is the supposed model of financial sustainability at Barnsley FC. Is it promotion sh1t or bust this season ?

It’s The Barnsley Way!

I get it now😂

[Young_Nudger]

Due diligence.
Patrick Cryne.
Other directors buying into the club.
They all thought Lee and Conway were the right people to take the club forward.
If all those thought that they were the right people for the club - and we are talking £££millions at stake here - then obviously supporters (including myself) have to take their word for it.

But SB knew better.
Get this fella onto the board of directors straight away.
In fact - make him Chairperson.

Alternatively could it be - if you are at the depths of despair and negativity - and moan and groan all the time - and pull the club down at every conceivable opportunity - then eventually one of your predictions may actually come true.

So it’s either SB for Chairperson.
Or it’s hangdog SB.
Which ever could it be ?

It’s a reyt conundrum I tell thi !!!

[Shadrack the Red]

I openly admit that I know very little or anything about stocks and shares etc so I ask the question if and when the owners decide to sell the club do the share holders get paid by the value of the shares and consequently the more shares the more return ? , for example if someone bought x number of shares at 20p and sold them at 40p they would make 100% , am I right ? If so then yes well done to the powers that be for the cash injection as it obviously supports the club but am I right in thinking they have actually invested money and not donated it ? As I say I am only a layman with financial matters and I would appreciate it if someone who knows what they are talking about can confirm my thoughts or not.

[animallittle3]

I openly admit that I know very little or anything about stocks and shares etc so I ask the question if and when the owners decide to sell the club do the share holders get paid by the value of the shares and consequently the more shares the more return ? , for example if someone bought x number of shares at 20p and sold them at 40p they would make 100% , am I right ? If so then yes well done to the powers that be for the cash injection as it obviously supports the club but am I right in thinking they have actually invested money and not donated it ? As I say I am only a layman with financial matters and I would appreciate it if someone who knows what they are talking about can confirm my thoughts or not.

Greetings from the Costa Del Sol , I don't normally log on when I'm on holiday but the wife is none too clever and had a tooth pulled this morning due to a very nasty abscess so I'm on the hotel balcony whilst she is recuperating this afternoon in bed .

To answer your question Shad .

Generally speaking the value of the shares as a whole in this case around £15m of new stock plus whatever was paid when Cryne sold the club would at least offer the figure that needs to be met in order for the current shareholders to get their money back .

That's the paper valuation at least , best estimate is that paper the club is worth £25m .

The reality of course is different because since the total sale of the ground and surrounding land the club does not hold any solid assets .

The only assets are the value of the players and HC and the brand .

The brand isn't a strong one on the global market , hmm practically non existent and only valuable to a local fan with a few quid .

The players and HC are only as valuable as the market says they are .

The real question is why are the club in need of the extra cash injection through share creation every year ?

How long can this continue ?

Are the owners prepared to fund this every year ?

What happens when they no longer want to ?

They are all massively out of pocket thus far and only a promotion to the PL would yield a return , promotion to the championship would only ease the reliance on the extra funding that's occurred recently .

You can wave any diploma from the London School Of Economics at me but it doesn't make you an expert in turning around the fortunes of a football club in the third tier who can't pay it's way despite the fact it sells a fair percentage of it's players on and doesn't pay too many fees for players these days either .

Personally I'd save the club over a million quid every year with no problem at all , ditch the academy and go with a B team .