FAO Steve Finan

[JamesMcClean]

I know you’re a DC Thomsons employee and I loved your book about Oor Jum last year but, lord, you need to get a grip on the podcasts getting put out. Specifically the Twa Teams One Street caper which is the most biased blue nose schite I’ve heard for a long time. For instance on the latest one yer Blue Nose man ‘Bear’ goes on about St Johnstone setting up a cup double which apparently, and I quote ‘ even Dundee Utd never did in their pomp’. Is he forgetting about season80/81 or is he just choosing to put on his bitter blue nose specs on? C’mon to phuck this is basic journalism here.

[GUNBOAT]

I also wonder why my local paper allows a bigot like Jenny Hjul get to print with shyte like Douglas FN Ross defied the odds by holding back the Nationalist advance and he could end up as FM of Scotland at the next Scottish election.
Does the Courier make a habit of allowing pyshed journalists free reign to preach the union to this country's YES city?.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/...cies/S16000098

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/...cies/S16000099

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opin...irst-minister/

[japanarab]

I know you’re a DC Thomsons employee and I loved your book about Oor Jum last year but, lord, you need to get a grip on the podcasts getting put out. Specifically the Twa Teams One Street caper which is the most biased blue nose schite I’ve heard for a long time. For instance on the latest one yer Blue Nose man ‘Bear’ goes on about St Johnstone setting up a cup double which apparently, and I quote ‘ even Dundee Utd never did in their pomp’. Is he forgetting about season80/81 or is he just choosing to put on his bitter blue nose specs on? C’mon to phuck this is basic journalism here.

Does he not mean winning two cups in the one season?

[JamesMcClean]

QUOTE=japanarab;39780079]Does he not mean winning two cups in the one season?[/QUOTE]

He refers to the ‘chance of’ doing two cups in one season like it’s a first locally. It’s not.

[japanarab]

Aah. Gotcha. You can throw in 87 too then.

[Steve Finan]

Thanks for kind words about the Jim McLean book, James. I will have another United book published next year, though I’ll keep the details to myself for now.
I’m only peripherally involved in newspaper journalism these days, but I know the Twa Teams boys very well. I grew up with Bear from the age of 16, which is well over 40 years ago. I must be honest here, I think you are being harsh on him for missing out a word in that sentence. He knows well that United have, in the past, been in two cup finals in a season.
Indeed, I’d pay Bear the highest compliment I’d give to any man: he kens his fitba. If you are ever looking for a team to enter a football quiz, you’d do well to recruit Bear. He’s a good lad, a Scottish Junior international in his day, stands his hand at the bar, and I guarantee you’d enjoy his company no matter what team you support.
Football journalism has changed. In the old days, no one knew what team Arthur Montford, or Hugh McIlvanney supported. I wouldn’t have dared ask McIlvanney! Nowadays, the chatty, podcasting, personality-driven football reportage requires people to say who their team is. It is a more human way of talking about football. But it opens everyone who writes, Tweets, or podcasts to accusations of bias.
You can hold what they say against them, that is your prerogative. You can pay your money or give your time to read or listen, or not, and agree or disagree, or not. If you don’t like it, don’t access it. But we’d have to admit we all suffer from confirmation bias. You, me, everybody.
So, for argument’s sake, let’s turn the spotlight around. How are you judged?
I come here because there are several posters who give honest, reasoned, original assessments and opinions of United matters. I’d go as far as to say I respect the football nous that is displayed. I’ll not pick out names, but several of the people here are worth listening to.
The book I talked about in first paragraph would benefit from supporter input — in the same manner as Jim McLean Dundee United Legend. So I intend to pm some guys on here to directly ask for their opinion. No one has to take part, of course, they can tell me to sling my hook. It will be their choice, I certainly won’t take offence.
In deciding who to send a pm to, I can only judge people on what they write on here. It is the only thing I have to go on, as I don’t know everyone personally.
It is the same way the Twa Teams lads are judged by listeners.

[GUNBOAT]

Thanks for kind words about the Jim McLean book, James. I will have another United book published next year, though I’ll keep the details to myself for now.
I’m only peripherally involved in newspaper journalism these days, but I know the Twa Teams boys very well. I grew up with Bear from the age of 16, which is well over 40 years ago. I must be honest here, I think you are being harsh on him for missing out a word in that sentence. He knows well that United have, in the past, been in two cup finals in a season.
Indeed, I’d pay Bear the highest compliment I’d give to any man: he kens his fitba. If you are ever looking for a team to enter a football quiz, you’d do well to recruit Bear. He’s a good lad, a Scottish Junior international in his day, stands his hand at the bar, and I guarantee you’d enjoy his company no matter what team you support.
Football journalism has changed. In the old days, no one knew what team Arthur Montford, or Hugh McIlvanney supported. I wouldn’t have dared ask McIlvanney! Nowadays, the chatty, podcasting, personality-driven football reportage requires people to say who their team is. It is a more human way of talking about football. But it opens everyone who writes, Tweets, or podcasts to accusations of bias.
You can hold what they say against them, that is your prerogative. You can pay your money or give your time to read or listen, or not, and agree or disagree, or not. If you don’t like it, don’t access it. But we’d have to admit we all suffer from confirmation bias. You, me, everybody.
So, for argument’s sake, let’s turn the spotlight around. How are you judged?
I come here because there are several posters who give honest, reasoned, original assessments and opinions of United matters. I’d go as far as to say I respect the football nous that is displayed. I’ll not pick out names, but several of the people here are worth listening to.
The book I talked about in first paragraph would benefit from supporter input — in the same manner as Jim McLean Dundee United Legend. So I intend to pm some guys on here to directly ask for their opinion. No one has to take part, of course, they can tell me to sling my hook. It will be their choice, I certainly won’t take offence.
In deciding who to send a pm to, I can only judge people on what they write on here. It is the only thing I have to go on, as I don’t know everyone personally.
It is the same way the Twa Teams lads are judged by listeners.

What about Jenny? i know her husband is to the right of Hitler but why is she allowed free reign in my city's paper?.Surely he can give her Telegraph money or arrange for other Unionist papers(FN loads O them)to pay for her plastic surgery?.

[JamesMcClean]

Thanks for kind words about the Jim McLean book, James. I will have another United book published next year, though I’ll keep the details to myself for now.
I’m only peripherally involved in newspaper journalism these days, but I know the Twa Teams boys very well. I grew up with Bear from the age of 16, which is well over 40 years ago. I must be honest here, I think you are being harsh on him for missing out a word in that sentence. He knows well that United have, in the past, been in two cup finals in a season.
Indeed, I’d pay Bear the highest compliment I’d give to any man: he kens his fitba. If you are ever looking for a team to enter a football quiz, you’d do well to recruit Bear. He’s a good lad, a Scottish Junior international in his day, stands his hand at the bar, and I guarantee you’d enjoy his company no matter what team you support.
Football journalism has changed. In the old days, no one knew what team Arthur Montford, or Hugh McIlvanney supported. I wouldn’t have dared ask McIlvanney! Nowadays, the chatty, podcasting, personality-driven football reportage requires people to say who their team is. It is a more human way of talking about football. But it opens everyone who writes, Tweets, or podcasts to accusations of bias.
You can hold what they say against them, that is your prerogative. You can pay your money or give your time to read or listen, or not, and agree or disagree, or not. If you don’t like it, don’t access it. But we’d have to admit we all suffer from confirmation bias. You, me, everybody.
So, for argument’s sake, let’s turn the spotlight around. How are you judged?
I come here because there are several posters who give honest, reasoned, original assessments and opinions of United matters. I’d go as far as to say I respect the football nous that is displayed. I’ll not pick out names, but several of the people here are worth listening to.
The book I talked about in first paragraph would benefit from supporter input — in the same manner as Jim McLean Dundee United Legend. So I intend to pm some guys on here to directly ask for their opinion. No one has to take part, of course, they can tell me to sling my hook. It will be their choice, I certainly won’t take offence.
In deciding who to send a pm to, I can only judge people on what they write on here. It is the only thing I have to go on, as I don’t know everyone personally.
It is the same way the Twa Teams lads are judged by listeners.

Steve thank you for a very detailed and informative reply. I enjoy listening to podcasts in the car to and from work and Twa Teams is one I listen to amongst others (including the Courier Talking Football). I’m pretty sure Bear is a sound enough guy who one could sit and have a pint with nae bother but that latest podcast I just felt was starting to take things too far. Maybe I’m missing the point of the series, but when speaking about Dundee it is the constant references to ‘we’ and ‘us’ without any attempt to hide it whatsoever that starts to border on the hilarious. It’s not exactly ‘objective’ but then maybe it’s not meant to be like that and I’m missing the point, in which case that’s my bad.

Through the last 18 month or so we’ve had the constant references to Dundee United’s financial ‘struggles’ without any balancing context that you could apply that to any Club in Scotland right now but United seem to get singled out as some sort of unique case, yet perversely you then get ‘special edition podcasts’ about an Argentinian forward who barely played for six months, was gone as quick as he came and fundamentally contributed toward a debt of £23,000,000 that almost killed the Club but almost certainly killed several local businesses who were deprived of what was their right and their dues. I’m pretty sure those affected weren’t listening to the ‘Celebration Special’. I’d have absolutely no quibble about podcasts marking Dundee winning the League or the League Cup for instance but that era in the history of Dundee and how the actions of those in charge severely affected local businesses should be a cause for denouncement not celebration.

As another example, and moving away from the Twa Teams podcast itself, but on the night of the ‘Doon Derby’ why was it necessary to have a DC’s camera crew and reporter sitting outside Dens waiting to film United supporters on their view of their Club getting relegated immediately right after full time? I don’t remember anything of the like after Dundee got relegated against Hamilton two years ago for instance. Actions such as that are inflammatory at best and it’s little wonder that it contributes to Arab’s perceptions as to DC Thomson’s allegiances. Even more recently, after we thrashed Aberdeen a couple of weeks ago in undoubtedly our best performance of the season, the Courier back page had headlines about St Johnstone and Dundee. No mention of United. Not one.

I get that journalism is not easy. Research is time consuming and no doubt exhausting. Constantly worrying about what is legitimate to print or not I have no doubt is stressful. And trying to achieve levels of objectivity I’m sure is difficult. What a lot of Arabs feel though is that some on the face of it have given up even trying and are peddling a narrative where Dundee can do no wrong and United can do no right. Anyways, I’ve had my rant. Keep up your excellent individual work, I also got your book on Scotland which was also right up there with the Jim one and despite what I may have just said there are still clearly some continuing to fly the journalistic flag down DC’s way.

[Steve Finan]

She is entitled to her opinion — whether you, I or anyone agrees or disagrees. And The Courier also had Alex Salmond as a columnist for a while, you will recall.
That’s what I meant by confirmation bias — we tend to like and admire people we agree with, and dislike those we don’t agree with.
Jenny Hjul doesn’t deserve personal criticism about how she looks, though. That’s not called for, whether you agree with her or not. I’d ask you to edit that out please.
My father fought a war to win freedom of speech, and I know from your previous posts that you are ex-Army too. You also fought to defend our freedom of speech. But no one can pick and choose who should be allowed to speak. Not me, not you, not anyone. I might disagree with your opinion, or Jenny Hjul’s opinion, or both. But I defend to the death your/her/anyone’s right to give their opinion.
The great thing about The Courier, though, is that if you write to them they will publish your thoughts on the readers’ letters page. It is a platform anyone can access, and is a very well-read part of the paper. The editorial staff are proud of the diverse, sometimes angry, sometimes highly critical opinions that they put print as readers’ letters. Not every newspaper will print such letters.

[Shedboy1971]

She is entitled to her opinion — whether you, I or anyone agrees or disagrees. And The Courier also had Alex Salmond as a columnist for a while, you will recall.
That’s what I meant by confirmation bias — we tend to like and admire people we agree with, and dislike those we don’t agree with.
Jenny Hjul doesn’t deserve personal criticism about how she looks, though. That’s not called for, whether you agree with her or not. I’d ask you to edit that out please.
My father fought a war to win freedom of speech, and I know from your previous posts that you are ex-Army too. You also fought to defend our freedom of speech. But no one can pick and choose who should be allowed to speak. Not me, not you, not anyone. I might disagree with your opinion, or Jenny Hjul’s opinion, or both. But I defend to the death your/her/anyone’s right to give their opinion.
The great thing about The Courier, though, is that if you write to them they will publish your thoughts on the readers’ letters page. It is a platform anyone can access, and is a very well-read part of the paper. The editorial staff are proud of the diverse, sometimes angry, sometimes highly critical opinions that they put print as readers’ letters. Not every newspaper will print such letters.

will they stop the dee votion? cannigia esque minters still on going? last 2 days courier has had united stories. nostalgia, liked them. get the phuck to the cannigai days tho - 23 m - nil - cvnts sryb