The Fletcher Scenario

[animallittle3]

Ok let's assume he wants to come back to the club and kick start his career .

It seems fairly common knowledge that West Ham insist on any club taking him on loan does so and pays his wages in full , 7 or 8k a week .

That's fine in principle because it's affordable I would argue because it's only for one season .

The problem with that is this , it's likely to break our wage structure and could pyss off a number of our players , the players it's most likely to hack off are the ones who were here last season , Davies , Yiadom , Macdonald , Moncur and Mowat , Bradshaw .

I don't imagine these players are on anything like approaching 8k a week , half of that figure tops .

The last thing we need is these lads kicking off , they played their part last season at various times and we need unrest in the camp like we need Tom Kennedy in the back four .

The newer additions haven't any clout and are likely to mutter under their breath and keep their hands down , they've proved nowt yet , Davies and co have and they are our senior players now .

I tell you this if some young dude walks straight into the dressing room on double my bubble after I've done my bit to establish the club back in the championship then Hecky and co had better get their wallet out and double my money pronto .

And that is why he possibly won't be signing , Ash Fletcher or not , the harmony in the dressing room is our strength and nothing should be risked in that respect .

[Jules88]

Totally agree with that! The ethos is to build around same age players... creating the spirit. Damaging that spirit with wage disparity wouldn't help.
Sowhere do we get a cheap, young forward? If we go for an Older/ Proven head as some want they'll be on more money too, won't they ? Which will still create disharmony.
It's a rock and hard place!

[animallittle3]

Totally agree with that! The ethos is to build around same age players... creating the spirit. Damaging that spirit with wage disparity wouldn't help.
Sowhere do we get a cheap, young forward? If we go for an Older/ Proven head as some want they'll be on more money too, won't they ? Which will still create disharmony.
It's a rock and hard place!

Well I take your point jules however .

Bringing in 2 or 3 older players with championship pedigree would carry more clout within a dressing room than a 21 years old lad from the smoke .

The key here is the credibility and how that comes across to players already here .

I think it's fairly common knowledge that Hammill is our significant top earner , that doesn't appear to cause an issue because he's 29 and got the T shirt .

[animallittle3]

From what I've read from ex players who were with the club during our PL season money did cause a fair bit of unrest .

Redders. Sherdian , Eaden and co were pretty pyssed off about Tinkler , Hristov and one or two more coming to the club on far bigger wages , Redders said in his book the senior players had got the club promotion and a bunch of unproven players just waltzed through the door and claimed the cream .

However , they didn't begrudge Ashley Ward a penny because he was the real deal with the quality and work ethic he brought to the club .

Hope that makes my point rather better than the previous post .

[pass_and_move]

From what I've read from ex players who were with the club during our PL season money did cause a fair bit of unrest .

Redders. Sherdian , Eaden and co were pretty pyssed off about Tinkler , Hristov and one or two more coming to the club on far bigger wages , Redders said in his book the senior players had got the club promotion and a bunch of unproven players just waltzed through the door and claimed the cream .

However , they didn't begrudge Ashley Ward a penny because he was the real deal with the quality and work ethic he brought to the club .

Hope that makes my point rather better than the previous post .

Fair point mate. I think the fact that they were foreign didn't help either and i don't use that term in a stereotypical way. I think hristov is the perfect example of a young unproven striker coming in for a big transfer fee and wages. Was he any better than the strikers we already had? Probably not.

Maybe players like Ward and Barnard came in on bigger money but our promotion players had instant respect for them because they knew all about them. Tinkler, Georgi, Marksted, Krizan etc were an unknown quantity simply because they were foreign yet expectations of them were high. Having seen them in training and how the season went they failed to deliver and you can understand discontent in the camp. Our foreign contingent contributed very little when you think about it.

Funny because De Zeeuw, Clint and jovo who were crucial to the promotion squad but were more than likely sharing parity in the wages with the rest of the lads. It's a very shrewd point you make Animal.

Unity is our strength, absolutely ***** is the spirit in this camp. Young lads who probably wear their hearts on their sleeves and probably are lacking in rational thought wouldn't welcome a player who still has much to prove yet is getting double the dough. Its a poser.

Should West Ham perhaps share the wages of Fletch with us then it may well ease any possible volatile situation. It's all hypothetical but in reality i think whoever loans him will have to pay his money, should that be a leeds, Derby, forest etc it's certainly not a problem to them. Certainly gives food for thought

[asbin]

I cannot see how you can complain about the wages of any player that comes in on loan, especially from a premier league club. If we buy a player and put him on a wage far greater than what existing players are on then fair comment. Its common knowledge that any premier league player is on far more money than our players are on.
If a club loans us a player, then we have to pay him his wages unless the parent club agrees to pay some as did Leicester last season. If West ham are saying we will have to pay all Fletchers wages then so be it.

[Hodger1957]

I think a lot depends on the character and attitude of the loanee.
I was really impressed with Fletcher away at Fleetwood. He didn't play that well in a poor team performance but he chased everything down and put more effort in than anyone that day.
It's one thing experienced old pro's like Redders & Eaden getting pissed off, but most of our present squad arrived recently from non league/lower league and we probably trebled their wages not that long ago. To expect parity with a loanee from the Prem would be a bit rich. They would also benefit from any win bonuses he helped them win. If he delivers on the pitch I can't see how they can complain. Surely if he proved to be a dud we could terminate the loan

[animallittle3]

I cannot see how you can complain about the wages of any player that comes in on loan, especially from a premier league club. If we buy a player and put him on a wage far greater than what existing players are on then fair comment. Its common knowledge that any premier league player is on far more money than our players are on.
If a club loans us a player, then we have to pay him his wages unless the parent club agrees to pay some as did Leicester last season. If West ham are saying we will have to pay all Fletchers wages then so be it.

Well let's apply this to our own working life .

The company you work for hires an agency worker to work alongside you on double what you earn , how would you feel ?


Alternatively you are a young kid still learning the job you are employed to do , the company hires a very experienced operator with a sound and established work record who you can learn much from , look up to and aspire to , would you begrudge him the extra money in the same way as the agency worker who has the same experience and age you have .

[asbin]

Animal
That's a ridiculous comparison. Are you saying every loanee we get has to take a drop in wages if they are paid more by their parent club ?
The fact is that the two clubs either share the players wages or the club acquiring the loanee agrees to pay the players wages in full.

[DOOALI]

Top and bottom we can't pay championship wages even some Lg 1 clubs pay more than us.Why do you think we're relying on loans and lower Lg players and hoping they cut it in championship.Then we'll sell them and we start all over again.If bfc want championship football and a quote from top brass saying"it's where we belong" there will definitely have to be a different outlook and hopefully soon