O/T Brexit revisited: Is Boris pushing his luck?

[rolymiller]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54097320

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54105455

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54072347

Why do I get the feeling this is gonna turn out not very nice for us?

[millersrus]

Time will tell.
The timing of this bill does seem somewhat surprising however you have to assume that they have thought about the timing implications of it and what they wish to achieve.
Having the powers to do something and actually doing it are totally different things, like having a nuclear weapon, you never want to use it, but if you had to you could.
When the hoo ha settles no doubt we will learn more next week.
Maybe they have taken a leaf from the Chinese international diplomacy manual.

[Slimchance]

Roly, Boris is not pushing his luck he is standing up for Great Britain which is the job of the Prime Minister, unlike Stammer who would sell us to the Fat Cats in Brussels in a heart beat

[frogmiller]

Deal with Japan done by the sounds of things. If this is based on the free trade deal already done between the EU and Japan then any other country that has deals with the EU will simply follow suit.

[mygiddypant]

Roly, Boris is not pushing his luck he is standing up for Great Britain which is the job of the Prime Minister, unlike Stammer who would sell us to the Fat Cats in Brussels in a heart beat

Another example of the Dominic Cummings Project that isn't very well thought through. Boris is the front man who is just interested in being liked and not terribly interested in the detail.

Slim, watch PMQ's on Wednesday. Johnson hasn't a clue and is like a fish out of water without the guffawing chinless wonders behind him.

It's Starmer.

[Pattylallacks2]

Roly, Boris is not pushing his luck he is standing up for Great Britain which is the job of the Prime Minister, unlike Stammer who would sell us to the Fat Cats in Brussels in a heart beat

JHC, what fkcing drivel!

[John2]

Roly, Boris is not pushing his luck he is standing up for Great Britain which is the job of the Prime Minister

That's not really how international agreements work.

Britain has built up a 300+ year global reputation for honouring its commitments. If we sign a contract, we honour it. That's always been the British way. It means countries trust us and are more willing to do business with us.

To give an example of what this looks like, as recently as 2015 the British government (with our taxes) was still paying off an 1834 debt to those who had to be compensated for giving up their slave ownership nearly 200 years prior - paying long afterwards to whoever inherited that obligation. It's ugly, but that's what integrity with regard to honouring your commitments looks like.

By throwing our 'weight' around like this and tearing up international agreements, Johnson doesn't really "stand up for Britain" - it un-does 300+ years of hard built reputation of being a country the world can do business with.

Once we fail to honour our signed obligations, it can't really be undone. It will be another 300+ years to get to the trusted position we are at now. We'll stop being a prestigious, elite country, its part of what differentiates us from countries like North Korea, or Zimbabwe or Libya.

This means that countries we want to do deals with might have good reason to not trust us, and so might insist on harsher terms, or just avoid certain types of agreement all together.

If you think destroying our hard earned reputation for some political point scoring and saber rattling is worth it, I think it is a sad indictment of how this country has fallen and the things we really should be proud of as a nation being casually discarded.

Side note, all countries are ran completely differently, I see no reason why just because say Japan signed up that will be magically replicated across completely different political systems and motivations.

[Slimchance]

That's not really how international agreements work.

Britain has built up a 300+ year global reputation for honouring its commitments. If we sign a contract, we honour it. That's always been the British way. It means countries trust us and are more willing to do business with us.

To give an example of what this looks like, as recently as 2015 the British government (with our taxes) was still paying off an 1834 debt to those who had to be compensated for giving up their slave ownership nearly 200 years prior - paying long afterwards to whoever inherited that obligation. It's ugly, but that's what integrity with regard to honouring your commitments looks like.

By throwing our 'weight' around like this and tearing up international agreements, Johnson doesn't really "stand up for Britain" - it un-does 300+ years of hard built reputation of being a country the world can do business with.

Once we fail to honour our signed obligations, it can't really be undone. It will be another 300+ years to get to the trusted position we are at now. We'll stop being a prestigious, elite country, its part of what differentiates us from countries like North Korea, or Zimbabwe or Libya.

This means that countries we want to do deals with might have good reason to not trust us, and so might insist on harsher terms, or just avoid certain types of agreement all together.

If you think destroying our hard earned reputation for some political point scoring and saber rattling is worth it, I think it is a sad indictment of how this country has fallen and the things we really should be proud of as a nation being casually discarded.

Side note, all countries are ran completely differently, I see no reason why just because say Japan signed up that will be magically replicated across completely different political systems and motivations.

If I recall Germany did a lot of agreemnt breaking a few years ago, but they seem to be able to make agreements and treaties without to much both

[rolymiller]

If I recall Germany did a lot of agreemnt breaking a few years ago, but they seem to be able to make agreements and treaties without to much both

I'm afraid I have no faith in Boris at all. I can see him completely cocking this up. He will still be singing Britannia rules the waves though as it slips into the Atlantic.

The chickens will come home to roost soon as I have always said. You voted in a dead duck in the last election be prepared for the sh it hitting the fan...

[millersrus]

We'll stop being a prestigious, elite country, its part of what differentiates us from countries like North Korea, or Zimbabwe or Libya.


If you think destroying our hard earned reputation for some political point scoring and saber rattling is worth it, I think it is a sad indictment of how this country has fallen and the things we really should be proud of as a nation being casually discarded.
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You really are quite-something
Mostly you and your groups time is spent trying to do exactly that , denigrate, rubbish and destroy the reputation of your own country and it’s past. So sad.

Have you no shame ( rhetorical question )