Here we go again - 'Talks can wait'

[Brin]

How much was spoken last season of contract talks not being entered in to until it was too late for some.

Yes, we have only just started a season but surely even Warne knows the calibre of a player he has on his books. I firmly believe the club left it far too late to begin negotiations to tie Smith down to a new extended favourable contract so, we already know this is his last season for us and the way he's scoring of late, he'll be gone by January and a massive loss of a player to our structure. Bad management all round.

I've picked up on we only have Ogbene who we can tie down to an extended 12 month on his contract, if the club feel they wish to do so. The likes of Johannson, Lindsay, Ihiekwe, Wood, Ladapo, Miller and Sadlier are all out of contract at the end of this season and yes there are some in there that don't deserve retaining, however, there are others who do.
Let's hope they don't lose them for stalling.

The club have stated they will not be entering into contract talks with players until closer to the New year which for me, may border on being too late for retaining some players who have the calibre to be retained. My main question is, why do we leave it so late in an attempt to retain services of good players while other clubs just see the talent and extend contracts accordingly?

Is it Warne doesn't want to rock the boat with some players by extending some contracts and not others? Those that he isn't looking to want to extend will soon get the message and maybe it just might make them try harder, no names mentioned.

In the meantime, everyone has to wait.

[MillersTime]

It happens at every club Brin. Paul Pogba and Kylian Mbappe are out on contract this summer and I'm sure their respective clubs acknowledge their talents. Because we support the Millers we pick up on each player that is out of contract any given season but each and every club throughout the leagues will have a load of players on expiring deals. It would be lovely if all our favourite players were tied down on friendly, long term deals but it isn't that easy. So many factors come into play from the club side and player, everything takes time. I have no idea when the club tried to sit down with Smith over a new deal, whether that was recently or ages ago.

[Lolmorgan]

It happens at every club Brin. Paul Pogba and Kylian Mbappe are out on contract this summer and I'm sure their respective clubs acknowledge their talents. Because we support the Millers we pick up on each player that is out of contract any given season but each and every club throughout the leagues will have a load of players on expiring deals. It would be lovely if all our favourite players were tied down on friendly, long term deals but it isn't that easy. So many factors come into play from the club side and player, everything takes time. I have no idea when the club tried to sit down with Smith over a new deal, whether that was recently or ages ago.

A lot of that is because Pogba & Mbappe wanted to leave so they didn’t want to sign a new contract.Still say Mabappe will finish up at Liverpool.

[CAMiller]

Just out of interest Brin, at this point in time what negotiating power do you think the club have over any of the players you mention? The only power they ever really have is money so unless they are going to say "We'll offer you a 1,2,3 year contract on double the money" (and obviously they aren't going to do that because (a) they are sensible and (b) they don't know where we'll be next season) they have nothing to bargain with.

[Brin]

Just out of interest Brin, at this point in time what negotiating power do you think the club have over any of the players you mention? The only power they ever really have is money so unless they are going to say "We'll offer you a 1,2,3 year contract on double the money" (and obviously they aren't going to do that because (a) they are sensible and (b) they don't know where we'll be next season) they have nothing to bargain with.

CAM, every club has the power to retain any player if they so badly want to retain his services, like you say money. It's all down to when the approach takes place, in Smith's case too late, or far earlier than we normally do. In Smith's case as of now it's far too down the road so to speak in trying to have him change his mind but, this is one good player we've not managed well at all.

[KerrAvon]

CAM, every club has the power to retain any player if they so badly want to retain his services, like you say money. It's all down to when the approach takes place, in Smith's case too late, or far earlier than we normally do. In Smith's case as of now it's far too down the road so to speak in trying to have him change his mind but, this is one good player we've not managed well at all.

When the approach takes place has very ittle to do with it.

Smith will have an idea of what he wants from his career, which will inevitably include financial considerations, but will also include factors such as the league he would like to play in or which part of the country he would like to live in. Factors such as the 'culture' and ambition of potential clubs might also play a part.

Smith and his agent will already know Rotherham wishes to retain him . They will already have an idea of what he wants from a new deal. A delay of a few months until both sides have a better idea of what next season might look like isn't going to change that.

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

Apology if it's up on the board recently.

Just to let Brin know ....the club / Rob Scott and Paul Douglas are about to invoke contract extensions on......

Chiedozie Ogbene
Jamie Lindsay
Viktor Johannson.
Freddie Ladapo
Mickel Miller


EDIT : it's a policy option to keep players for a further 12 months before trying to tie them to long term deals at the end of the season.
No news on Smudge.

[CAMiller]

Apology if it's up on the board recently.

Just to let Brin know ....the club / Rob Scott and Paul Douglas are about to invoke contract extensions on......

Chiedozie Ogbene
Jamie Lindsay
Viktor Johannson.
Freddie Ladapo
Mickel Miller

No news on Smudge.

That 4th name on the list might raise a few eyebrows as it would basically mean we are stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here if he doesn't find another home. Maybe the risk v reward is one worth taking?

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

That 4th name on the list might raise a few eyebrows as it would basically mean we are stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here if he doesn't find another home. Maybe the risk v reward is one worth taking?

Apology CAM , I was editing when you posted.
It's so Freddie can't walk away for free.
Hopefully Freddie gets fixed up with another club in the summer.

It may be down to personal problems he wants to leave, example...he or his partner / kids haven't settled in this area.
Cut him some slack, second highest scorer this season...oh and play him against the Wendies.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Apology if it's up on the board recently.

Just to let Brin know ....the club / Rob Scott and Paul Douglas are about to invoke contract extensions on......

Chiedozie Ogbene
Jamie Lindsay
Viktor Johannson.
Freddie Ladapo
Mickel Miller

No news on Smudge.

I don’t think Smith had an extension clause in his contract?