Illegals and Failed Asylum Seekers

[baggieal]

Come on Boris FFS get a grip and throw all this scum out of the country! Enough is enough!

People are sick of it now and feel awful for the burnt out taxi in Liverpool! Shame a broom was required to sweep out the contents into a bag for the tip!

[kettering_baggie]

I don’t think that you can brand all migrants/asylum seekers as ‘scum’; yes, there are probably some that would fit that description but there will be many that just want a decent life. Surely, though, there must come a point, quite soon, where we have to say ‘no more’, as the infrastructure of the country will not be able to cope. Indeed, the NHS cannot cope with the demand for its services today. School places are at a premium, there’s a persistent shortage of housing, power supplies are not far off getting to the bare minimum, and with the reduction in the use of coal and gas for electricity generation, this is going to become difficult, especially in the short to medium term. Then there is the issue of water; already there are plans to build two new giant reservoirs in the East of England. A couple of years with minimum rain in the Summer months will bring it home how critical this problem will become in the near future. Climate change will affect people in Africa and other third World areas on increasing levels; Europe as a whole cannot take in millions of people from Africa, let alone the UK. What is to be done? I don’t know but as sure as hell it ain’t going to be pretty!

[Leicesterbaggie]

I agree Kettering that we do have to get to grips with the situation. I thought that this is what Boris was going to do! No problem with immigration but with a regulated system, welcoming those who are going to contribute to our society and ensuring that criminals and undesirables do not enter. This is why we cannot keep accepting those entering illegally and asylum seekers who have not been vetted first. Something has to be done about these boatloads who just arrive on our shores. I don't agree that nothing can be done if they arrive illegally. If they are not legally entitled to enter this country surely we can refuse them entry. If not, why have a law?

[WBA123]

A couple of things that baffle me about immigration.

The first is similar to how Kettering and many others say things like 'we should feed/house our own first' or 'NHS/education is at breaking point'. And of course immigrants get the blame for this. Its not a binary choice between having a welfare system or health/education by choosing not to take in immigrants. In fact there is a lot of evidence that immigrants prop up these places, especially our healthcare. This is the responsibility of the Government who are happy for you to blame immigrants for their failings.

The second is the perception that immigrants typically arrive by the boatload. 677,000 people moved to the UK in 2019 (of course, the majority did so on correct visa's), 8,000 people came by boat in 2020. The vast majority of immigrants that are here don't arrive by boat, but overstay their visa's. The one's who do arrive by boat are the super desperate.

And I don't know the answers either by the way, its just we look at immigrants in a terrible light when 99% of them come here to work and for a better life. Brexit has (hopefully) taught us that we need immigrants. The people who are really screwing the country over are the politicians giving themselves fat, juicy public taxpayer contracts - not the poor bloke risking his life on a dinghy in the channel. The biggest scroungers are Johnson, Gove, Jenrick, Hancock and the like..

[kettering_baggie]

A couple of things that baffle me about immigration.

The first is similar to how Kettering and many others say things like 'we should feed/house our own first' or 'NHS/education is at breaking point'. And of course immigrants get the blame for this. Its not a binary choice between having a welfare system or health/education by choosing not to take in immigrants. In fact there is a lot of evidence that immigrants prop up these places, especially our healthcare. This is the responsibility of the Government who are happy for you to blame immigrants for their failings.

The second is the perception that immigrants typically arrive by the boatload. 677,000 people moved to the UK in 2019 (of course, the majority did so on correct visa's), 8,000 people came by boat in 2020. The vast majority of immigrants that are here don't arrive by boat, but overstay their visa's. The one's who do arrive by boat are the super desperate.

And I don't know the answers either by the way, its just we look at immigrants in a terrible light when 99% of them come here to work and for a better life. Brexit has (hopefully) taught us that we need immigrants. The people who are really screwing the country over are the politicians giving themselves fat, juicy public taxpayer contracts - not the poor bloke risking his life on a dinghy in the channel. The biggest scroungers are Johnson, Gove, Jenrick, Hancock and the like..

123, please read my post again; I did not blame asylum seekers for the various shortfalls in our society and I have als stated that were we to be in their shoes, we too may be seeking a better life somewhere else. I have also pointed out, possibly in another thread, that you can’t just turn the boats around and send them back as that would contravene the UN convention regarding those seeking asylum. The point that I was trying to make was that unlimited immigration is ultimately unsustainable, given the potential numbers that could come from Africa and other war-torn and climate affected countries. I don’t know what the answer is but it cannot be that living conditions in the UK, or Europe for that matter, are adversely affected because our infrastructure is being overwhelmed. There would come a point, I suspect, that the far right would exploit the situation for their own ends and the we would be faced with real problems. I genuinely feel for those, especially with young children, just trying to find themselves a decent life. Taking real steps to mitigate climate change and providing assistance for some parts of the World to build their own infrastructure would surely be the way forward, although what you do about some of the violent dictators around the World that care not one jot for anyone but themselves, I do not know. Look how migrants are being treated by Belarus, just pawns in a ruthless dictator’s game, disgraceful. The UK alone cannot solve the problems of the World, sadly.

[stripes39]

123, please read my post again; I did not blame asylum seekers for the various shortfalls in our society and I have als stated that were we to be in their shoes, we too may be seeking a better life somewhere else. I have also pointed out, possibly in another thread, that you can’t just turn the boats around and send them back as that would contravene the UN convention regarding those seeking asylum. The point that I was trying to make was that unlimited immigration is ultimately unsustainable, given the potential numbers that could come from Africa and other war-torn and climate affected countries. I don’t know what the answer is but it cannot be that living conditions in the UK, or Europe for that matter, are adversely affected because our infrastructure is being overwhelmed. There would come a point, I suspect, that the far right would exploit the situation for their own ends and the we would be faced with real problems. I genuinely feel for those, especially with young children, just trying to find themselves a decent life. Taking real steps to mitigate climate change and providing assistance for some parts of the World to build their own infrastructure would surely be the way forward, although what you do about some of the violent dictators around the World that care not one jot for anyone but themselves, I do not know. Look how migrants are being treated by Belarus, just pawns in a ruthless dictator’s game, disgraceful. The UK alone cannot solve the problems of the World, sadly.

Good post. Pouring billions in to Africa as has happened over the years is not the answer. The state of the continent proves it. BLM conveniently ignore the fact that much of Africa's issues have been bought about by years of corrupt dictatorships using their countries wealth as a personal bank account.

Corruption at so many levels at the expense of the ordinary man or woman is rife. A company I worked for got involved in a scheme to build schools and hospitals in Uganda. The deal was you got your flight 50% paid for, got paid by the company to take a week off to live in a village and provide free labour building these structures. Those that did go got hit with a $300 dollar 'tax' on arrival that they'd not been told about or they'd get put on the next flight out at their own cost. Turns out every person of multiple nationalities was paying this 'tax' that it transpired was going to a local committee made up of the police chief, magistrate and local government ministers.

Until it starts to sort its own problems out mass movement of people will continue which as you say is unsustainable.

[Leicesterbaggie]

Good post. Pouring billions in to Africa as has happened over the years is not the answer. The state of the continent proves it. BLM conveniently ignore the fact that much of Africa's issues have been bought about by years of corrupt dictatorships using their countries wealth as a personal bank account.

Corruption at so many levels at the expense of the ordinary man or woman is rife. A company I worked for got involved in a scheme to build schools and hospitals in Uganda. The deal was you got your flight 50% paid for, got paid by the company to take a week off to live in a village and provide free labour building these structures. Those that did go got hit with a $300 dollar 'tax' on arrival that they'd not been told about or they'd get put on the next flight out at their own cost. Turns out every person of multiple nationalities was paying this 'tax' that it transpired was going to a local committee made up of the police chief, magistrate and local government ministers.

Until it starts to sort its own problems out mass movement of people will continue which as you say is unsustainable.

You are quite right stripes. Used to give to various charities for aid in Africa. Stopped doing so as the money that I was giving wasn't going where intended but into the pockets of corrupt officials. This is endemic in many African countries and, as you say, until this is sorted out the situation is never going to improve.

[WBA123]

Good post. Pouring billions in to Africa as has happened over the years is not the answer. The state of the continent proves it. BLM conveniently ignore the fact that much of Africa's issues have been bought about by years of corrupt dictatorships using their countries wealth as a personal bank account.

Corruption at so many levels at the expense of the ordinary man or woman is rife. A company I worked for got involved in a scheme to build schools and hospitals in Uganda. The deal was you got your flight 50% paid for, got paid by the company to take a week off to live in a village and provide free labour building these structures. Those that did go got hit with a $300 dollar 'tax' on arrival that they'd not been told about or they'd get put on the next flight out at their own cost. Turns out every person of multiple nationalities was paying this 'tax' that it transpired was going to a local committee made up of the police chief, magistrate and local government ministers.

Until it starts to sort its own problems out mass movement of people will continue which as you say is unsustainable.

There is no doubt large parts of Africa is corrupt. But without knowing the numbers, I'd say the majority who come here are Syrian, Iraqi, Afghan or Libyan. All four countries we've interfered with our terrible foreign policies which are coming back to bite us.

'Pouring billions' into international aid is needed in my view for two reasons. One, it will save lives, and two - because the more stable a country is, the less likely people there will want to flee. International aid will actually help immigrants to not attempt to come to the UK. However, International Aid is an easy hit for our press, and most in this country believe our press, as evidenced by Brexit, so International Aid will always be a target.

[Albionic68]

There is no doubt large parts of Africa is (sorry but it's 'are') corrupt.......However, International Aid is an easy hit for our press, and most in this country believe our press, as evidenced by Brexit, so International Aid will always be a target.

Have you ever read Mein Kampf by any chance? I have...... along with a whole host of other books. It's author always returns to one narrative. The Jews.

With you it's the uneducated gammon plebs of the world. My only surprise is that you haven't linked Brexit to slavery and colonialism......yet.

Still, the day is young 😊 .

[Leicesterbaggie]

What you don't appear to understand 123 is the word illegal. If in all other areas of society we ignored the laws, we'd be in a right mess! You state that most of those who remain do so because their visas have expired and haven't come on dingys. So that's OK then, and overstaying your visa is not illegal? I'm sorry, but I don't understand your reasoning.