Predictable?

[WTF11]

So next to f00k all "invested" by our new owners in anything significant, including the abysmal condition of ER, and we get a gun put to the heads of ST owners who have, in most cases, spent thousands over many seasons in good times and bad and now because the 49ers want to keep that cash register ringing in the shop, we get this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Em3JZPAhkG4

Perhaps they might like to compare and contrast online sales with thise at the ground and if they don't like the result, maybe spend some time establishing why (online sales not being where they want them) rather than extorting mire miney frim fans who have provided the vast majority of "base load" revenues from fans?

Sign of the times I guess, and nothing good abiut it.

[WTF11]

And no, I dont like this and I suspect every ST owner will feel the same, great relationship management.

[WTF11]

So next to f00k all "invested" by our new owners in anything significant, including the abysmal condition of ER, and we get a gun put to the heads of ST owners who have, in most cases, spent thousands over many seasons in good times and bad and now because the 49ers want to keep that cash register ringing in the shop, we get this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Em3JZPAhkG4

Perhaps they might like to compare and contrast online sales with thise at the ground and if they don't like the result, maybe spend some time establishing why (online sales not being where they want them) rather than extorting mire miney frim fans who have provided the vast majority of "base load" revenues from fans?

Sign of the times I guess, and nothing good abiut it.

No idea wtf was going on with the link, but THIS is the story I was referring to!!!

https://motleedsnews.com/exclusives/...t-elland-road/

Sorry for any confusion caused!

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Predictably negative?

[WTF11]

Predictably negative?

Care to challenge by illustrating the positive, or would that be just too hard?

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Lots of positives.

Financially we seem to be in a very good position. We have well resourced owners who seem to have a plan.

Step 1 get a decent manager.
Step 2 within the constraints of FFP support him whether through signings or loans with an option to buy.
Step 3 manage the shape of the squad and take football based decisions with the manager - ergo the outgoing of Ayling and the non renewal of Cooper’s contract.

The shop and merchandising have improved massively - the product and service is far better and I think we are in the top 6 clubs in the whole of the football league for kit sales.

The hospitality and match day experience has improved massively which also brings in more revenue.

For those lucky enough to be able to attend games then whilst the ground has three stands in need of upgrade a lot has been spent on improving the inside and outside areas already.

We have a clear goal of pushing to the PL and once we do a plan for stadium upgrades and we seem keen - hurrah- to spend responsibly and not make huge investments when there is no guaranteed return - ergo the ground.

The board these days rarely says anything just for the sake of it and when it does it is typically factual and informative.

Whilst Orta created carnage the relegation clauses have actually helped the club in ffp terms.

We have just equalled the club’s record run of league wins and in a league with some saying teams are still the bookies favourites to get the second auto promotion spot.

That enough effort for you.

Oh and we actually play really good attacking football at times with lots of young players coming through whilst conceding few goals.

[Ozwhites]

Me thinks you haven't heard the last of this....😊

[WTF11]

Lots of positives.

Financially we seem to be in a very good position. We have well resourced owners who seem to have a plan.

Step 1 get a decent manager.
Step 2 within the constraints of FFP support him whether through signings or loans with an option to buy.
Step 3 manage the shape of the squad and take football based decisions with the manager - ergo the outgoing of Ayling and the non renewal of Cooper’s contract.

The shop and merchandising have improved massively - the product and service is far better and I think we are in the top 6 clubs in the whole of the football league for kit sales.

The hospitality and match day experience has improved massively which also brings in more revenue.

For those lucky enough to be able to attend games then whilst the ground has three stands in need of upgrade a lot has been spent on improving the inside and outside areas already.

We have a clear goal of pushing to the PL and once we do a plan for stadium upgrades and we seem keen - hurrah- to spend responsibly and not make huge investments when there is no guaranteed return - ergo the ground.

The board these days rarely says anything just for the sake of it and when it does it is typically factual and informative.

Whilst Orta created carnage the relegation clauses have actually helped the club in ffp terms.

We have just equalled the club’s record run of league wins and in a league with some saying teams are still the bookies favourites to get the second auto promotion spot.

That enough effort for you.

Oh and we actually play really good attacking football at times with lots of young players coming through whilst conceding few goals.

None of which addresses the issue that sparked the thread.....

The club have (apparently) decided that those fortunate enough to have a season ticket will, unless they attend 80% of home games, risk forfeiting that ticket. The criteria for such forfeiture haven't been made public, so who knows what conditions ST holder may have to fulfil, how many hoops to jump through, neither do we know what bearing the length of time a season ticket has been held might have on matters. The simple fact that the club sees fit to threaten those who have, in many cases over many years, subscribed to the club and supported it by way of paying hundreds if not thousands of pounds if they fail to attend a % of home games speaks volumes for how they see fans. Not as supporters of the club, but cash cows.

[Rev72]

Predictably negative?

[Monaco_Totty]

And no, I dont like this and I suspect every ST owner will feel the same, great relationship management.

Two matters from me on that presented MOT article.

Point 1.
So, ST Holders must attend 80% of the home league games at Elland Road or they will not be invited to renew for the following season the MOT report says.

As a ST holder of over 25 years the wording of "Attendance" is actually deemed to include:

1) Personal attendance at a match by a Season Ticket Holder using their Season Ticket.

2) Attendance at a match by a friend or family member of the ST Holder using the official ‘Ticket Forwarding Scheme’.
(As i do currently).👍

3) A Season Ticket Holder puts their seat up for resale via the official ‘Ticket Exchange’ scheme in operation.

Like most other Club’s the above ensures as many supporters as possible get to see the team whilst encouraging fans to "monetise matches they cannot attend" making season tickets more affordable.

Season Ticket prices will not be dependent on Divisional basis & start at £18.87/£22.84 per game for adults and £3.74/£4.53 per game for under-11s (Championship/Premier League). Supporters can spread the payment of a Season Ticket across a 6 or 10 month instalment plan.

To be fair i've no probs with the clubs policy criteria but did raise an objection regarding future ST plans regarding concession pricing as for a while in the past, i was eligible for that rate & really appreciated it as money/budgets at that time were tight for me as they are for others now.

Trust Responds to Season Ticket Price Rises
https://lufctrust.com/article/trust-...et-price-rises

Point 2.
Not easy to travel to games for example !

Chelsea Away tickets went on sale to Leeds United members on a first come, first served basis at 10.30am on Wednesday (Feb21) morning.
Leeds fan Sam posted on Twitter later that same day stating the problems with the game kick off time schedule.
Cos if visiting fans did'nt want to have to leave early then they would not be able to make the 10pm booked return train back to Leeds especially if the tie went into injury/extra-time & penalties.

So the only option to get back on the train that night therefore in that event was the one that left at 11.33pm.
So fans travelling back from London Kings Cross station to Leeds accused London North Eastern Railway (LNER) of hiking up prices from £47.45 for the 10pm train back to a jaw dropping staggering £218.65 for the one later at 11.33pm ! 😡

Sam certainly got a lot of sympathy from other Twitter users, with 'printable comments' including "the whole UK rail network is a joke", "the UK continues to rip us all off and still the service is appalling" & "needs nationalising".

Other Leeds fans raged that the train journey back home cost more than a trip to Europe, with a return flight on the same day to Pathos, Cyprus, costing as little as £69 while a 1,340-mile journey from London to Barcelona would cost just £73.

So yeah - not easy planning weekly trips to Leeds games even with tickets, TV schedules & rip off transport nowadays, for sure.

On balance most ST fans i know understand & accept why the club has had to do it.
Yes, the cost of living crisis is causing families to cut their budgets & many of which were already small to begin with, sadly.
Families who've never needed financial support before are desperate for it now as one small change can leave a family completely vulnerable. All points put to the club by various supporters organisations on a regular basis i'll add.

The wider balanced view for me is that the club is listenening & doing its best in dire financial times but we still play in front of sell out stadiums regardless of pricing & transport costs - so a tough call was made in the circumstance.