This Season

[keldsyke]

So, on the prediction threads on where we would finish this season, I said I would be happy with not being relegated this season and I stand by that. A lot has gone off this season and I feel we need to use what we are / have gone through positively to adjust, learn and alter our direction for next season. effectively we need to write this season off and prepare correctly for next season.

There is a lot wrong and we should take these next few months to rectify the issues. It's clear that recruitment manager / player wise on the whole has been abysmal (and on the cheap, or not used evenly over all areas of the team) , obviously something has changed in that area as when SM was appointed it was said that he was going to help identifying targets, usually targets would have been identified well in advance.

The other thing that won't go down well with some is that the Brothers have severely underestimated what's needed to be stable or competitive in this league, including coach / manager, players etc. If they standby SM and things start off bad next season I feel things will turn nasty very quickly. Personally, I think we need an established manager who knows this league, what players are needed, what works and what doesn't unfortunately going that way will mean this 'Philosophy' the brothers want would need to go. It's a nice idea, but it won't work certainly with the players we have, we got away with a lot last season, but the step up this season shows the step up in quality and we have been made to pay. It hasn't taken long for most League 2 teams to suss out how to beat us. Forget this season, correct the mistakes and look forward to 2024 / 2025.

[tommopie8]

It isn't not getting promoted this season which worries me - it's the fact our manager has shown nothing to suggest that we would be in contention for anything but relegation on his time in charge.

[Davy500]

So, on the prediction threads on where we would finish this season, I said I would be happy with not being relegated this season and I stand by that. A lot has gone off this season and I feel we need to use what we are / have gone through positively to adjust, learn and alter our direction for next season. effectively we need to write this season off and prepare correctly for next season.

There is a lot wrong and we should take these next few months to rectify the issues. It's clear that recruitment manager / player wise on the whole has been abysmal (and on the cheap, or not used evenly over all areas of the team) , obviously something has changed in that area as when SM was appointed it was said that he was going to help identifying targets, usually targets would have been identified well in advance.

The other thing that won't go down well with some is that the Brothers have severely underestimated what's needed to be stable or competitive in this league, including coach / manager, players etc. If they standby SM and things start off bad next season I feel things will turn nasty very quickly. Personally, I think we need an established manager who knows this league, what players are needed, what works and what doesn't unfortunately going that way will mean this 'Philosophy' the brothers want would need to go. It's a nice idea, but it won't work certainly with the players we have, we got away with a lot last season, but the step up this season shows the step up in quality and we have been made to pay. It hasn't taken long for most League 2 teams to suss out how to beat us. Forget this season, correct the mistakes and look forward to 2024 / 2025.

To be fair to the owners they have no experience of EFL football, and i couldnt agree more what worked in the NL will not work in L2. Like it took them 4 seasons to work out what was required in the NL.i think it will take them 3 or 4 years to make a team capable of reaching L1 - you only got to look at Mansfield its took them 8 years to get to what they are now . Saying that though Clough at one time flirted with the bottom 2 in L2 , and look at him now - patience is required

[uysapie]

To be fair to the owners they have no experience of EFL football, and i couldnt agree more what worked in the NL will not work in L2. Like it took them 4 seasons to work out what was required in the NL.i think it will take them 3 or 4 years to make a team capable of reaching L1 - you only got to look at Mansfield its took them 8 years to get to what they are now . Saying that though Clough at one time flirted with the bottom 2 in L2 , and look at him now - patience is required

Clough had previous EFL experience, there is no apparent reason to be patient with SM. This season is oover realistically and he should not be here next season.

[Davy500]

Clough had previous EFL experience, there is no apparent reason to be patient with SM. This season is oover realistically and he should not be here next season.

True - Clough did have good experience and success elsewhere- i said this earlier talent or ability is usually shown early either at the current club or elsewhere - SM has neither

[ancientpie]

Clough had previous EFL experience, there is no apparent reason to be patient with SM. This season is oover realistically and he should not be here next season.

Clough wouldn't have been given the time here that he was at Mansfield the fans would have turned seasons ago, rightly or wrongly Notts fans expectation levels seem higher than the Stags & recent history shows that they quickly lose patience if things don't run perfectly. COYP

[Davy500]

Clough wouldn't have been given the time here that he was at Mansfield the fans would have turned seasons ago, rightly or wrongly Notts fans expectation levels seem higher than the Stags & recent history shows that they quickly lose patience if things don't run perfectly. COYP

That is because we have been in the top flight - and 2 Top divisions - once you got the taste you want it again - No disrepect to Stags

[SmiffyPie]

That is because we have been in the top flight - and 2 Top divisions - once you got the taste you want it again - No disrepect to Stags

Is that said tongue in cheek?

[BigFatPie]

Clough wouldn't have been given the time here that he was at Mansfield the fans would have turned seasons ago, rightly or wrongly Notts fans expectation levels seem higher than the Stags & recent history shows that they quickly lose patience if things don't run perfectly. COYP

I think it’s an unfair accusation that Notts fans are any more impatient than any other set of fans. Aside from the fact that there wasn’t any particular booing on Sat(probably due to a better performance than against Sutton) a team that was in a poorish run of form before the new bloke took over has gone off a cliff. Any other league we’d be seriously concerned about relegation.

Both MK Dons and Bradford and Tranmere were struggling far more than us when they got new managers and all three have seen immediate and sustained improvements in their forms. Why couldn’t have we expected that at Notts?

[ancientpie]

I think it’s an unfair accusation that Notts fans are any more impatient than any other set of fans. Aside from the fact that there wasn’t any particular booing on Sat(probably due to a better performance than against Sutton) a team that was in a poorish run of form before the new bloke took over has gone off a cliff. Any other league we’d be seriously concerned about relegation.

Both MK Dons and Bradford and Tranmere were struggling far more than us when they got new managers and all three have seen immediate and sustained improvements in their forms. Why couldn’t have we expected that at Notts?

I didn't say any other fans I chose Stags because they showed much more patience with Clough than I believe we would, not sure about the lack of booing Saturday because like many I was on my way home. It would have been nice to get a " new manager bounce" but maybe because LW jumped rather than got pushed because of poor results we didn't. If we were to appoint a different manager today & results didn't pick up don't you believe that some fans (probably the ones now shouting for Maynards head) would be shouting again ? Job security or lack of it must effect any potential applicant.