Prisoners party and Labour vote for cuting the winter fuel payment

[soulman101]

The Tory's were bad, but this Labour couldn't run a cold bath .
A lot of dangerous prisoners back on the streets

[regis80]

The Tory's were bad, but this Labour couldn't run a cold bath .
A lot of dangerous prisoners back on the streets

Just wtf would you care when the tories have shafted everyone when they were in power (including pensioners). All of a sudden tories give a sh it.

That aside, I do think it was a bad move on labour.

[soulman101]

I always care about my country and our population .
Doesn't matter if it's a red or blue govement , if I don't like something I'll my MP know.
Our Labour MP has said she was voting for the cut.

[regis80]

I always care about my country and our population .
Doesn't matter if it's a red or blue govement , if I don't like something I'll my MP know.
Our Labour MP has said she was voting for the cut.

Any way of knowing how many of these pensioners voted Brexit and Tory? Asking for a friend. All these pensioners told us also that they always saved back in the day, didn’t spend their dosh in Starbucks. Perhaps now they can save money themselves now. Why should we care about pensioners? The government, whoever is in charge don’t give a f. Perhaps these pensioners should suck it up like they tell the youngsters that can’t afford a house. I for one would not want to live to an old age and rather someone just spare me than to put the burden on healthcare and public services.

Any more right wing daily mail spiel you want to spread soulman? Let’s have it. I’ll give some nonsense rubbish responses too.

[regis80]

and if you have the time to watch and listen because you can’t read.. here is a recent video from LBC worth watching

https://youtu.be/Z173czRvUwg?si=w15cz8sqczeCQiwp

15bn tory covid contacts that have red flags. But no, you won’t watch it.. instead you’ll want to fall for their divisiveness agenda and blame migrants. £300 winter fuel payments ffs. How much does it cost to keep someone in prison for a year? £40k. Oh wait Al is about to tell us how much it costs to keep an illegal immigrant in a hotel. Missing the point as usual.

[mickd1961]

The problem with our country in general is that we don’t plan properly for the future, this is true irrespective of which party holds power.

The prison system reminds me of our road network and in particular our motorway system.

I’ve been driving almost 45 years now and even back in 1979 it was busy on the roads and obvious car use was going to increase regardless of population increasing as more families became two car plus households.

The U.K. population was 56 million in 1979 and was growing at around 200,000 people a year, it now stands at around 68 to 69 million so on average it has grown at close on 300,000 per year over a 45 year period.

This isn’t rocket science Regis, why have we continued to build and repair three lane motorways, why is rail infrastructure so appalling, why wasn’t HS2 or similar built in the boom years of the 80’s and the halcyon days under Blair’s New Labour?

The same argument goes for prisons, if your population is going to grow by around 20% in a 45 year period you have a duty to do one of two things,

1/ Increase prison places by 20%

2/ Completely revamp the penal system and put the equivalent money into prevention and into support services for those who should never be anywhere near a prison.

In the news last night they interviewed an arsonist who was sentenced in January and who has been released, that must be so comforting for his victim and the neighbours.

They also interviewed a woman who’s ex husband beat her badly over a number of years and who stalked and beat his next partner whilst on a court order that was supposed to see him go nowhere near her, he’s also getting out early.

It’s not good enough by ANY of the governments of the past 50 years, every one of them is to blame.

We need to stop wasting money on foreign aid and in bad procurement and end vanity projects, the country is in a bad state of repair and preparedness for now and the future.

If needed we should risk increasing our national debt level to actually make the place function properly.

[regis80]

The problem with our country in general is that we don’t plan properly for the future, this is true irrespective of which party holds power.

The prison system reminds me of our road network and in particular our motorway system.

I’ve been driving almost 45 years now and even back in 1979 it was busy on the roads and obvious car use was going to increase regardless of population increasing as more families became two car plus households.

The U.K. population was 56 million in 1979 and was growing at around 200,000 people a year, it now stands at around 68 to 69 million so on average it has grown at close on 300,000 per year over a 45 year period.

This isn’t rocket science Regis, why have we continued to build and repair three lane motorways, why is rail infrastructure so appalling, why wasn’t HS2 or similar built in the boom years of the 80’s and the halcyon days under Blair’s New Labour?

The same argument goes for prisons, if your population is going to grow by around 20% in a 45 year period you have a duty to do one of two things,

1/ Increase prison places by 20%

2/ Completely revamp the penal system and put the equivalent money into prevention and into support services for those who should never be anywhere near a prison.

In the news last night they interviewed an arsonist who was sentenced in January and who has been released, that must be so comforting for his victim and the neighbours.

They also interviewed a woman who’s ex husband beat her badly over a number of years and who stalked and beat his next partner whilst on a court order that was supposed to see him go nowhere near her, he’s also getting out early.

It’s not good enough by ANY of the governments of the past 50 years, every one of them is to blame.

We need to stop wasting money on foreign aid and in bad procurement and end vanity projects, the country is in a bad state of repair and preparedness for now and the future.

If needed we should risk increasing our national debt level to actually make the place function properly.

Agree with what you are saying, i’m all for long term growth and future planning. We’ve just had a bunch of numpties charlatans in charge for the past 14 years - what have they got to show for? Not a single positive thing. They sold Royal Mail on the cheap, the sold Northern Rock that was generating 1-2billion a year.. why when it was earning us a return did we sell it back? It’s this sort of thinking and mindset to drive the money towards the rich which has screwed us over. And sadly it’s probably what Starmer is helping (time will tell) by not taxing the big big companies appropriately, such as Amazon. We need a foundation to build on. Was HS2 really needed though?
I witness old guy at the GP the other day trying to get help for his teeth, told that they can deal with anything dental - it was his consultant that referred him there. Bye bye NHS dental care - who f’d this one up? So much bad decision making and policies by past government(s) has screwed us over. I just remembered the positive thing the Tories left us with - Brexit.
Have a good day Mick 😂

[WBA123]

The problem with our country in general is that we don’t plan properly for the future, this is true irrespective of which party holds power.

The prison system reminds me of our road network and in particular our motorway system.

I’ve been driving almost 45 years now and even back in 1979 it was busy on the roads and obvious car use was going to increase regardless of population increasing as more families became two car plus households.

The U.K. population was 56 million in 1979 and was growing at around 200,000 people a year, it now stands at around 68 to 69 million so on average it has grown at close on 300,000 per year over a 45 year period.

This isn’t rocket science Regis, why have we continued to build and repair three lane motorways, why is rail infrastructure so appalling, why wasn’t HS2 or similar built in the boom years of the 80’s and the halcyon days under Blair’s New Labour?

The same argument goes for prisons, if your population is going to grow by around 20% in a 45 year period you have a duty to do one of two things,

1/ Increase prison places by 20%

2/ Completely revamp the penal system and put the equivalent money into prevention and into support services for those who should never be anywhere near a prison.

In the news last night they interviewed an arsonist who was sentenced in January and who has been released, that must be so comforting for his victim and the neighbours.

They also interviewed a woman who’s ex husband beat her badly over a number of years and who stalked and beat his next partner whilst on a court order that was supposed to see him go nowhere near her, he’s also getting out early.

It’s not good enough by ANY of the governments of the past 50 years, every one of them is to blame.

We need to stop wasting money on foreign aid and in bad procurement and end vanity projects, the country is in a bad state of repair and preparedness for now and the future.

If needed we should risk increasing our national debt level to actually make the place function properly.

You are correct in that the big issue is that politicians don't think about future generations, they think very short term - like the 3-4 years until the next election. I don't really know how to rectify that. The people who have benefited mostly from that are current pensioners btw, and the ones who have lost out are our children and future grandchildren / great grandchildren.

Surely you must give some credit to Labour for GB Energy? Of course we don't know how it will play out at the moment, but if we can start being less dependant on foreign energy sources that would be a great help to future generations.

[boingy]

It won’t be dangerous prisoners. Low level. Whoever was in charge there was no other option unless they could build prisons in a week which is impossible. The prisons are full to overflowing. Just another example of how the current population isn’t sustained by its failing infrastructure.

[soulman101]

It won’t be dangerous prisoners. Low level. Whoever was in charge there was no other option unless they could build prisons in a week which is impossible. The prisons are full to overflowing. Just another example of how the current population isn’t sustained by its failing infrastructure.

To their ex partners, these domestic violence ,released prisoners pose a danger .