Putin Meeting in Hungary

[baggieal]

As Putin will be going to Hungary for the next meeting and there?s a warrant for his arrest from the International Criminal Court for abduction of thousands of children. Do we really think the Hungarians will arrest him? If not why not? If not why are they a member country of the ICC and part of NATO?

The talk at the moment is on Gaza but have Ukrainians not had many thousands of children abducted, woman raped, mass executions and daily bombs and drones launched into civilian properties including hospitals?

Any thoughts?

[Omegstrat6]

Orban has consistently annoyed the European allies with his apparent closeness to Putin and Hungary is in the process of trying to leave the ICC which surely tells us something.

Trump reckons he is a great "deal maker" (though he rates himself "great" at anything of course) but whilst no-one can take away his part in the ceasefire in Gaza -albeit still a long way from actual peace-he always seems to back-peddle when it comes to Putin.

There may be sound reasons why he cannot give Ukraine Tomahawk missiles, whether that be the present limited numbers of them for America's own use or the limited capability of Ukraine to utilize them anyway, but he has gone from being annoyed at Putin and claiming that the US would help Ukraine to regain all its pre-war territories to now playing down his idea of giving Tomahawks to them and talking of stopping the war where both sides are presently. Yet again he has had "productive" talks with buddy Vlad and hopes to swing this with the MAGA crowd with lots of hints about trade deals to re-enforce his "America First" message.

Zelensky, meanwhile, having learnt his lesson after that appalling first televised meeting at the White House where both the Orange One and his mascara wearing side-kick berated him for not being "grateful" enough, is keeping stumm. He has kept up with the only real tactic that works with this POTUS (flattery) but I have a nasty feeling that if the Putin/Trump meeting does go ahead in Hungary, then Russia will pretty much get what it wants and Zelensky will be forced to concede far more than he hopes he has to. In the meantime, Putin will doubtless continue to batter Ukraine-after all, what have been the consequences of doing so so far?

Looking at the map, to actually get to Hungary. Putin will have to fly through either a NATO members airspace or Ukraine's. For a genuine peace summit doubtless permission will be granted for this-though I think he might still be wise to try and avoid Poland..

[wbaliquidator]

Wonder if trump will take his son along. He is a regular visitor to Hungary don’t you know. Wonder what attracts him there. Maybe the prime real estate that was Allegedly gifted to him. Follow the money trail folks.

Despite all the tough talk from Trump Putin consistently always gets a pass and favourable terms.
As one retired intelligence office said asked if Trump was a Russian asset. If it looks like a duck, walks like and duck, and quacks like a duck, then one can only assume it is.

My Guess It will be almost the same deal that Putin asked for previously except rather than Ukraine have to willingly concede even more territory, Russia will except what they have stolen already and allowed to keep it.
Trump will propose all sanctions to be lifted on Russia and welcome them back into the international community.
US will provide a level of security guarantees but only hardware and Europe must buy them. No US military staff.

If I were Zelensky the most important aim is to ensure Ukraine can still have US intelligence and weapons in the numbers they need and be willing to pay.

Russia is on its knees militarily and economically and Putin is now on borrowed time.

Honestly the combined European resources in terms of GDP, wealth, industrial complex dwarfs anything Russia can provide it’s just a matter of determination.

When Putin invaded, he sent his Massive Soviet Army against a small soviet army.
Now Russia is itself a medium size soviet army and Ukraine are a medium size but rapidly expanding Nato army

[baggieal]

Wonder if trump will take his son along. He is a regular visitor to Hungary don’t you know. Wonder what attracts him there. Maybe the prime real estate that was Allegedly gifted to him. Follow the money trail folks.

Despite all the tough talk from Trump Putin consistently always gets a pass and favourable terms.
As one retired intelligence office said asked if Trump was a Russian asset. If it looks like a duck, walks like and duck, and quacks like a duck, then one can only assume it is.

My Guess It will be almost the same deal that Putin asked for previously except rather than Ukraine have to willingly concede even more territory, Russia will except what they have stolen already and allowed to keep it.
Trump will propose all sanctions to be lifted on Russia and welcome them back into the international community.
US will provide a level of security guarantees but only hardware and Europe must buy them. No US military staff.

If I were Zelensky the most important aim is to ensure Ukraine can still have US intelligence and weapons in the numbers they need and be willing to pay.

Russia is on its knees militarily and economically and Putin is now on borrowed time.

Honestly the combined European resources in terms of GDP, wealth, industrial complex dwarfs anything Russia can provide it’s just a matter of determination.

When Putin invaded, he sent his Massive Soviet Army against a small soviet army.
Now Russia is itself a medium size soviet army and Ukraine are a medium size but rapidly expanding Nato army

Totally right! You would have thought Trump would have said to Putin - complete ceasefire until the meeting otherwise those long range missiles will go immediately to Ukraine. Then had this been done it would have been done in Putin?s interest to have the meeting sooner rather than later. Surely questions need to be asked about NATO countries who contribute next to nothing to aid Ukraine also those NATO countries who are still pally with Putin and buying Russian Oil. Trump is completely right on one thing until NATO countries stop buying oil the war will not end and they are fuelling the Russian killing machines.

[On Balance]

The problem with Trump is he U-turns at every moment. He is your typical American butt hole. And he is being found out at last. His manipulation of figures, his denial of global warming, his denial of things such as Autism, the list is endless. And when he does not like what he hears in regard to figures, he gets the head of who ever supplied them fired.

Now what does that sound like. It is authoritarian, closely aligned to! Oh yes Putins Russia.

There is even talk now of a 70 mile tunnel being built under the Bering Strait connecting the USA with Russia. Trump is a dangerous man and he is sidling up to a murdering leader of a country where anyone who disagrees with his politics or even his unlawful military objectives, are taken out and killed.

Link re the tunnel.

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...nd-us-13452151

Millions of Americans right across America, were out in protests against Trump yesterday (Saturday 18Oct) due to his authoritarian motives. At least some can now see him for what he is.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-events-states

Trump is a coward and a bully who hopefully will be found out and kicked out. He has likely no intention of facing off with Putin, he doesn?t have the stomach for it. His main objective is getting a Nobel Piece Prize, which he has admitted. It shows he has one agenda and that is all about promoting himself, like the narcissist he comes across as.

We will not step another foot in the USA as long as he remains president. Quite a few Americans have left the country and will not return until Trump is no longer president. He is a despicable, dangerous man, one which the American people or the world does not need right now.

[Omegstrat6]

The problem with Trump is he U-turns at every moment. He is your typical American butt hole. And he is being found out at last. His manipulation of figures, his denial of global warming, his denial of things such as Autism, the list is endless. And when he does not like what he hears in regard to figures, he gets the head of who ever supplied them fired.

Now what does that sound like. It is authoritarian, closely aligned to! Oh yes Putins Russia.

There is even talk now of a 70 mile tunnel being built under the Bering Strait connecting the USA with Russia. Trump is a dangerous man and he is sidling up to a murdering leader of a country where anyone who disagrees with his politics or even his unlawful military objectives, are taken out and killed.

Link re the tunnel.

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...nd-us-13452151

Millions of Americans right across America, were out in protests against Trump yesterday (Saturday 18Oct) due to his authoritarian motives. At least some can now see him for what he is.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-events-states

Trump is a coward and a bully who hopefully will be found out and kicked out. He has likely no intention of facing off with Putin, he doesn?t have the stomach for it. His main objective is getting a Nobel Piece Prize, which he has admitted. It shows he has one agenda and that is all about promoting himself, like the narcissist he comes across as.

We will not step another foot in the USA as long as he remains president. Quite a few Americans have left the country and will not return until Trump is no longer president. He is a despicable, dangerous man, one which the American people or the world does not need right now.

Don't disagree with a lot of that OB, but very rarely are individuals wrong about everything.

Trump is, at root, a narcissist who has latched on to the rise in populism (itself very much enabled by the failures of the liberal elite) to further his own interests. Some of the MAGA die hards will never be persuaded of course but for others the worm is beginning to turn. Quite aside from any concerns over his anti-democratic policies (the list is pretty endless but Inc his attempts to control the media and judiciary and replacing people in key positions within the military or government with inexperienced sycophants), his "big beautiful tariffs", his success in reducing illegal immigration and other vaunted policies have not actually improved the economy and many of those who voted for him have seen none of the claimed improvements in their own quality of life.

Yet Kimmel's favourite Man-baby is not wrong on everything (even if he still greatly exaggerates the details). Surely he is right, for example-as Al says-to point out that no NATO countries should be continuing to buy Russian oil and that all need to do more to pull their weight in terms of how much money they contribute to the Alliance. Similarly, whilst disagreeing with the creation of ICE and particularly how it operates, he is not wrong to question why levels of illegal immigration rose 3 fold during Biden's administration and the impact of such numbers.

Trump is by no means a traditional POTUS and his sometimes laughable inexperience and lack of knowledge in many areas caused an all time high turn over of White House staff in his first term. He called out Kim Jong Un as "little Rocket Man" which must have made many seasoned US diplomats hold their heads in disbelief yet he was also the first US President to fly to actually meet the North Korean leader-something that Biden, Bush or Obama would not have even entertained but also surely the right thing to do? Sometimes, even if rarely, not following the normal rules may be a good thing.

Trump supporters-and Trump himself-may see the uncertainty he creates via his "policy of chaos" as a quite deliberate strategy to un-nerve his opponents to get what he wants. To him it's all part of him being the "master of the deal". While this may have worked for him on the odd real estate deal and maybe even in the odd diplomatic engagement, the reality however is that both financial markets and foreign diplomacy much prefer stability not uncertainty.

Many increasingly view Trump's tactic of unpredictability as being muddled and dangerous and some that his claims of it all being a deliberate ploy simply mask the fact that he does not really know what he is doing. However you view Trump, I think that both Ukrainians and the Palestinians in Gaza have every right to be worried as to how either of his vaulted peace settlements work out for themselves.

[baggieal]

Personally I don?t like Trump one bit but even the majority over there give him credit for stopping illegal immigration. It?s a bit rich slating any overseas leader when our own government are an absolute embarrassment and even this was picked up by the Italian leader ie Starmer getting his own house in order.

The majority are very frustrated in this country and it?s not just about a few flags being waved but crumbling services, sky high prices and of course taxation and more taxation on businesses which of course is then slapped on the consumer. Glad I don?t vote.

To say you?re not going to a country because you don?t like a leader is plain daft as I had an absolute fantastic time in California this Summer and met some amazing Americans. I don?t like the Chinese leader but would love to visit China but don?t think it will happen sadly.

[Omegstrat6]

Seems clear from Zelensky's latest guarded comments following his meeting with Trump that the Orange One has indeed back peddled on his stance towards Putin. Ukraine wants a "just peace" he said, not merely a "quick peace".

Trump, very obviously, is not prepared to actually follow through and stand up to Putin but the moot point for Zelensky now will be how far the so called "coalition of the willing" will be prepared to go in supporting Ukraine. I can sadly see the war dragging on for some time.

If Trump had any balls or moral compass he would have put pressure on Putin which -given the erosion of both Russia's military capabilities and it's economy-might have indeed led to an end of the conflict. Doubtless any settlement would not have meant Ukraine regaining all of its lost territory but it would also not have meant ceding everything to Putin.

[baggieal]

Seems clear from Zelensky's latest guarded comments following his meeting with Trump that the Orange One has indeed back peddled on his stance towards Putin. Ukraine wants a "just peace" he said, not merely a "quick peace".

Trump, very obviously, is not prepared to actually follow through and stand up to Putin but the moot point for Zelensky now will be how far the so called "coalition of the willing" will be prepared to go in supporting Ukraine. I can sadly see the war dragging on for some time.

If Trump had any balls or moral compass he would have put pressure on Putin which -given the erosion of both Russia's military capabilities and it's economy-might have indeed led to an end of the conflict. Doubtless any settlement would not have meant Ukraine regaining all of its lost territory but it would also not have meant ceding everything to Putin.

I do agree but many of the NATO Leaders are weaker and cozy up to Putin and still at least 5 purchase Russian Oil which fuels the Russian killing machines. Some NATO countries contribute nothing or next to nothing towards Ukrainian aid or ammo and two of the largest countries supplying aid and ammo as the highest percentage of GDP are the USA and Poland. I don't like Trump more than anyone else but before leaders are slammed we need to look at many gutless and cowardly leaders in Europe include our waste of space Starmer. Even Starmer was slammed by the Italian leader ie he needs to get his house in order in his own country. Too right.

I do agree with Trump on one thing - NATO countries need to stop buying Russian oil forthwith.

[On Balance]

When will the orange one see what is blatantly obvious to most.

Russia does not want peace.

No Tomahawks and now Russia says it will not freeze the war so talks can begin.

Trump seriously needs to think of more than just thinking about himself. He is becoming equally to blame for any deaths the Russians cause to the Ukraine people. As equal as what that murdering Russian president and his authoritarian government are.

Link from BBC News.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0exgnwl092o