Are the Lunatics Running the Asylum?

[baggieal]

Not content with thousands entering the country illegally we now have this:

The government can't say with accuracy how many visa overstayers there are in Britain - no data has been collated for five-and-a-half years.

One Immigration lawyer believes there could be as many as 400,000 living across the country.

Harjap Singh Bhangal described the situation as a "shambles".

"The Home Office doesn't have any accurate data because we don't have exit controls. It's a shambles. It's an institution where every wall in the building is cracked,

Illegal immigration is almost zero now in the USA and their Esta entry system tracks every non US citizen on entry and exit with finger prints and photos. Put simply if you overstay your time you are jailed and fined. Quite right too!

To think some political parties in this country are saying refugees are welcome. Surely those who want to welcome them should pay for them?

Deport every one of them including visa overstayers as it?s shambolic and costing tax payers a fortune which can not be sustained. Immigration lawyers must be absolutely minted in this country!

[WBA123]

Not content with thousands entering the country illegally we now have this:

The government can't say with accuracy how many visa overstayers there are in Britain - no data has been collated for five-and-a-half years.

One Immigration lawyer believes there could be as many as 400,000 living across the country.

Harjap Singh Bhangal described the situation as a "shambles".

"The Home Office doesn't have any accurate data because we don't have exit controls. It's a shambles. It's an institution where every wall in the building is cracked,

Illegal immigration is almost zero now in the USA and their Esta entry system tracks every non US citizen on entry and exit with finger prints and photos. Put simply if you overstay your time you are jailed and fined. Quite right too!

To think some political parties in this country are saying refugees are welcome. Surely those who want to welcome them should pay for them?

Deport every one of them including visa overstayers as it?s shambolic and costing tax payers a fortune which can not be sustained. Immigration lawyers must be absolutely minted in this country!

This is one of the reasons I'm in favour of the digital ID Cards being talked about. Right now, there's probably hundreds of thousands of people here undocumented. Surely that would help with this issue?

Yet the people who seem to be most against it is Reform. That party and Farage makes absolutely zero sense to me, particularly about how they attempt to provide solutions to problems like this.

[bordering]

This is one of the reasons I'm in favour of the digital ID Cards being talked about. Right now, there's probably hundreds of thousands of people here undocumented. Surely that would help with this issue?

Yet the people who seem to be most against it is Reform. That party and Farage makes absolutely zero sense to me, particularly about how they attempt to provide solutions to problems like this.

Other countries have systems that work - USA, Hungary Australia
.
We don't need to re-invent the wheel

Pick one and implement it vigorously . Get the system we choose to be supervised by someone who has seen their system work

That is the problem we won't implement it

I am against ID cards because they will be used to watch over us all and be used against the law abiding majority.



The government Labour and Tory have lacked the will not the means

They don't want to control immoigration. This lot don't even want to maintain our way of life

[Albionic68]

Other countries have systems that work - USA, Hungary Australia
.
We don't need to re-invent the wheel

Pick one and implement it vigorously . Get the system we choose to be supervised by someone who has seen their system work

That is the problem we won't implement it

I am against ID cards because they will be used to watch over us all and be used against the law abiding majority.



The government Labour and Tory have lacked the will not the means

They don't want to control immoigration. This lot don't even want to maintain our way of life

Death to the Digital ID system.

[Albionic68]

This is one of the reasons I'm in favour of the digital ID Cards being talked about. Right now, there's probably hundreds of thousands of people here undocumented. Surely that would help with this issue?

Yet the people who seem to be most against it is Reform. That party and Farage makes absolutely zero sense to me, particularly about how they attempt to provide solutions to problems like this.

Personally speaking I wouldn't trust our incumbent shower of s hit to run me one. A shower that is. The Digital ID system is fraught with potential abuse from those in power. Imagine if you will a world where Reform wins the next election. With a Digital ID system in place they would have access to your mobile phone and could potentially run checks on your movements, finances and place(s) of employment.

Things they could do now of course but with everything about you collated in one nice convenient place that you've indirectly granted them access to. Tell me of a world where you would feel comfortable with Nigel Farage and co having direct physical access to the pocket you keep your mobile in. Doesn't read very well does it? A bloke called Nigel rifling through the personals in your pocket when you go to the loo. Just saying 😉 .

[WBA123]

Personally speaking I wouldn't trust our incumbent shower of s hit to run me one. A shower that is. The Digital ID system is fraught with potential abuse from those in power. Imagine if you will a world where Reform wins the next election. With a Digital ID system in place they would have access to your mobile phone and could potentially run checks on your movements, finances and place(s) of employment.

Things they could do now of course but with everything about you collated in one nice convenient place that you've indirectly granted them access to. Tell me of a world where you would feel comfortable with Nigel Farage and co having direct physical access to the pocket you keep your mobile in. Doesn't read very well does it? A bloke called Nigel rifling through the personals in your pocket when you go to the loo. Just saying 😉 .

Its fair to question who is in charge and their policies. But surely if the Digital ID system was regulated correctly, it would improve security in this country. People who are wanted for crimes or undocumented people who shouldn't be here can be identified quicker and easier.

The way I see it is its just like a driving licence, only its digital and on your phone. In the same way, are you concerned that the Passport office has your details? And in any case, whoever gets in in future elections - what has the general law abiding citizen got to be concerned about? I don't break any laws and I pay a lot of tax, what possible purpose would these people want with my information? I have nothing to hide so I have nothing to fear.

[Leicesterbaggie]

Its fair to question who is in charge and their policies. But surely if the Digital ID system was regulated correctly, it would improve security in this country. People who are wanted for crimes or undocumented people who shouldn't be here can be identified quicker and easier.

The way I see it is its just like a driving licence, only its digital and on your phone. In the same way, are you concerned that the Passport office has your details? And in any case, whoever gets in in future elections - what has the general law abiding citizen got to be concerned about? I don't break any laws and I pay a lot of tax, what possible purpose would these people want with my information? I have nothing to hide so I have nothing to fear.

Totally agree! Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

[SwedishBaggie]

?Digital and on the phone?, hence trackable and traceable in a way a driving licence isn?t.

And to trust someone like, say Farage, not to misuse that!? Or Trump in another country!?

Well, I wouldn?t.

?Nothing to hide, nothing to fear? has been used by many leaders with a twisted view on democracy and the freedom and rights of citizens.

Orwellian times approaching!?

[baggieal]

Other countries have systems that work - USA, Hungary Australia
.
We don't need to re-invent the wheel

Pick one and implement it vigorously . Get the system we choose to be supervised by someone who has seen their system work

That is the problem we won't implement it

I am against ID cards because they will be used to watch over us all and be used against the law abiding majority.



The government Labour and Tory have lacked the will not the means

They don't want to control immoigration. This lot don't even want to maintain our way of life

Some good points Bordering. I would copy the USA ESTA system where you citizens have to apply before entering so any criminal record like the USA then a person is not allowed in. On entry finger prints and photos are taken. Even the EU are having a similar system and in place now. The US charge about 25 pounds for an ESTA and we should charge the same.

Illegals should be kept in camps so they can not roam the streets freely and rape school girls - five in the last month. Getting ridiculous now. Then in the camps after processing illegals should be deported. Any illegal involved in crime should be immediately named and then deported.

We are such a soft country in every sense.

[Albionic68]

Some good points Bordering. I would copy the USA ESTA system where you citizens have to apply before entering so any criminal record like the USA then a person is not allowed in. On entry finger prints and photos are taken. Even the EU are having a similar system and in place now. The US charge about 25 pounds for an ESTA and we should charge the same.

Illegals should be kept in camps so they can not roam the streets freely and rape school girls - five in the last month. Getting ridiculous now. Then in the camps after processing illegals should be deported. Any illegal involved in crime should be immediately named and then deported.

We are such a soft country in every sense.

Can't see those measures having a huge impact on illegal entry to a country. Unless the illegal entrants decide to enter the country via an airport or a ferry terminal of course. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas though 😂 .