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[Jezleeds]

I might decide to contribute the occasional post, I might not, irrespective of the results, my choice, just as it's your choice to read and/or respond, yes?

I doubt I'll be making any further comment regarding Dudds, I'm a Leeds supporter after all (no matter what you and other may think or say).

As for watching Eastleigh, yes I will occasionally.

Just in the spirit of trying to help here WTF - don't shoot me down, although I'm guessing you might feel like it....

As a (usually) uninvolved observer of a LOT of these conversations, I think the problem often arises because, whatever the detail or nuance that you think is in them, you make comments that appear very dogmatic and more often than not, at the extreme end of a point of view.

You then end up trying to explain your view and backtracking through the detail when so many others take issue with what you've said, because the initial post was so 'black and white', rather than the 'grey' which most people see is there in everything in life, not just Leeds United.

I know it's good to have opinions and a forum is there to express them, but you can't be surprised or defensive if people pick them apart on the ground of logic, when it's always true that taking a strong one-dimensional stand on anything involves ignoring valid points in favour of simple assertion.

Just trying to help, but i'll put my tin hat on now and withdraw into my world of logic and moderation.

[WTF11]

So every game Leeds don't win or play in the way you think they should, we're going to have to read your constant arrogant negative drivel.

Does that also now mean every game Huddersfield win we're gonna have to read the same rubbish.

Leeds didn't play well on Saturday, could've lost, could've won but yout level of scrutiny after 1 game is bonkers. God help us if we lose tonight.

Go watch f*cking Eastleigh.

BTW, nice answer, completely avoiding the question in my post.

Then again, you, WS, Joel, Tich et al are all incapable of actually answering any question I might pose, preferring to rubbish the poster instead, nice one.

[WTF11]

Just in the spirit of trying to help here WTF - don't shoot me down, although I'm guessing you might feel like it....

As a (usually) uninvolved observer of a LOT of these conversations, I think the problem often arises because, whatever the detail or nuance that you think is in them, you make comments that appear very dogmatic and more often than not, at the extreme end of a point of view.

You then end up trying to explain your view and backtracking through the detail when so many others take issue with what you've said, because the initial post was so 'black and white', rather than the 'grey' which most people see is there in everything in life, not just Leeds United.

I know it's good to have opinions and a forum is there to express them, but you can't be surprised or defensive if people pick them apart on the ground of logic, when it's always true that taking a strong one-dimensional stand on anything involves ignoring valid points in favour of simple assertion.

Just trying to help, but i'll put my tin hat on now and withdraw into my world of logic and moderation.

Hi Jez. No tin hat required on my account I can assure you.

As for my response to what I get back having posted, not surprised or defensive (apologies if I seem so) just a tad disappointed that the responses tend to focus on insulting rather than taking me to task for any opinion I might express.

On the "black and white" thing, ok I may be looking at things in strict monochrome rather than shades of grey but simply because it's a club I have supported for more than 45 years I'm simply not interested in nuances. Players, coach and owner are rich, and in the case of players paid vast sums of money to play a game, not performing to their utmost is not acceptable and when/if that happens, irrespective of the competition or the opposition they ought to be roundly criticised by those who effectively pay their huge wages. Lose by all means, it happens, but there is a huge difference between losing well and notbperforming. They don't deserve to be "cut some slack" if they underperformed, as they did on Saturday.

Thanks for your reasoned post.

[Tichi1]

Just in the spirit of trying to help here WTF - don't shoot me down, although I'm guessing you might feel like it....

As a (usually) uninvolved observer of a LOT of these conversations, I think the problem often arises because, whatever the detail or nuance that you think is in them, you make comments that appear very dogmatic and more often than not, at the extreme end of a point of view.

You then end up trying to explain your view and backtracking through the detail when so many others take issue with what you've said, because the initial post was so 'black and white', rather than the 'grey' which most people see is there in everything in life, not just Leeds United.

I know it's good to have opinions and a forum is there to express them, but you can't be surprised or defensive if people pick them apart on the ground of logic, when it's always true that taking a strong one-dimensional stand on anything involves ignoring valid points in favour of simple assertion.

Just trying to help, but i'll put my tin hat on now and withdraw into my world of logic and moderation.

BTW, nice answer, completely avoiding the question in my post.

Then again, you, WS, Joel, Tich et al are all incapable of actually answering any question I might pose, preferring to rubbish the poster instead, nice one. [QUOTE]

You see why I don't bother answering any of his questions 'cos it doesn't matter how reasoned a response is given [Fisher/Stomp/joel] this numpty will either backtrack, call you plain dumb for not "Getting" his point, or eventually just bore the pants off you as he has to have the last word on EVERY subject - not to mention bringing on the depression from the constant stream of whinging and negativity. I've found just insulting him is the best answer - he tends to not respond, so if everyone just insulted him he might just f*uck off - though I shouldn't condone such actions as they could be deemed as bullying.

As for others avoiding answering his questions - well sometimes amid all the drivel it's quite hard to work out what the actual f*ucking question was??

[WTF11]

[QUOTE=Tichi1;38622099]BTW, nice answer, completely avoiding the question in my post.

Then again, you, WS, Joel, Tich et al are all incapable of actually answering any question I might pose, preferring to rubbish the poster instead, nice one.

You see why I don't bother answering any of his questions 'cos it doesn't matter how reasoned a response is given [Fisher/Stomp/joel] this numpty will either backtrack, call you plain dumb for not "Getting" his point, or eventually just bore the pants off you as he has to have the last word on EVERY subject - not to mention bringing on the depression from the constant stream of whinging and negativity. I've found just insulting him is the best answer - he tends to not respond, so if everyone just insulted him he might just f*uck off - though I shouldn't condone such actions as they could be deemed as bullying.

As for others avoiding answering his questions - well sometimes amid all the drivel it's quite hard to work out what the actual f*ucking question was??

Ok, in the interests of getting questions answered, please refer to post #42, it was put in simple, plain english and yet has (apparently), flummoxed all you bright boys. Care to try your hand?

BTW, you think Fisher/WS/Joels replies were "reasoned"? Well, then again, you would.

[Tichi1]

[QUOTE=WTF11;38622127]

BTW, nice answer, completely avoiding the question in my post.

Then again, you, WS, Joel, Tich et al are all incapable of actually answering any question I might pose, preferring to rubbish the poster instead, nice one.

Ok, in the interests of getting questions answered, please refer to post #42, it was put in simple, plain english and yet has (apparently), flummoxed all you bright boys. Care to try your hand?

BTW, you think Fisher/WS/Joels replies were "reasoned"? Well, then again, you would.

Right on queue.....

[Tichi1]

The answer to your question?

On the day we didn't perform as well as we can, on the same day - they performed better than expected and got a great result.
Nothing hard about answering the question - but can't that be said about any team in this league or the prem for that matter?

Teams performances vary - even the best in the prem and the teams promoted last season had good and bad days - this time round they had a good one we didn't, but one game doesn't merit the comparison.

As mentioned earlier by another poster - it's just that you are so f*ucking quick to leap in and moan when we have a bad performance - i'll look out for your moan about Huddersfield when they get tubbed next week!

[Fisher]

[QUOTE=WTF11;38622127]

BTW, nice answer, completely avoiding the question in my post.

Then again, you, WS, Joel, Tich et al are all incapable of actually answering any question I might pose, preferring to rubbish the poster instead, nice one.

Ok, in the interests of getting questions answered, please refer to post #42, it was put in simple, plain english and yet has (apparently), flummoxed all you bright boys. Care to try your hand?

BTW, you think Fisher/WS/Joels replies were "reasoned"? Well, then again, you would.

Joels responses were level headed & well reasoned I thought.

I don't mean to insult anybody but find the speed of some to start moaning so strange.

Heard it at the game on Saturday after about 20 mins - Phillips got a bit of stick.
Nobody said anything about Pontus's Cruyff turns that didn't come off and nearly cost us....funny that.

You can find positives and negatives in most situations in life, suppose it depends on your personality which trait you look for most.

[whitestomper45]

OK, simple question. Given you have vastly superior footballing knowledge than I do, and I'm an idiot, can you with all your wisdom please explain the apparent difference between a newly promoted team to the PL who have invested relatively limited funds but have given a stable, relatively long-standing club in that league a real shellacking away fromm home and our squad who over the same period of time still need "time to gel"?

Don't intend to drone on too much, as much have been argued with you better than I could outline.
But your honour I refer to your above post .....Crystal Palace a relatively long-standing PL club????? 4 seasons in PL they are 15th out of 20 in current term spent..they have had to fire fight in their last 2 to scrape over the 40pt survival line. They have a new "foreign" manager, lost some of their key players as free agents and end of loans..and hardly bought anyone of note to replace. So I am unable to fathom what Huddersfield a team awash with foriegn nobodies beating Palace (or was it QPR) has to do with Leeds v Preston Nobbers....will await the education