The Labour Party Conference

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Did anyone see Labour Party Chairman Ian Lavery on Question Time last night. A former leader of the NUM who followed Arhur Scargill, enjoys shouting, doesn't answer the questions and didn't go down well in Wolverhampton. He is the real face of the new old Labour Party. He is also the new shadow minister for trade unions and civil society shadowing a role that doesn't exist in Government and showing who is driving the party now.

See what the audience thought of him saying Labour were the Government in waiting.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...mps-statement/

Read that Oc , and I think they are ready --- ready to drag the country down again.

Politics is so wide of the mark at the minute --- I genuinely believe there isn't one of them who is even remotely
Interested in anything for you and me and importantly our Great country unless there is personal gain in it for
Themselves.

He is my local MP and I will make no further comment, for safety reasons, except to agree with army88.

[oldcolner]

Yes army it's a shambles all round.
I think Jeremy is trying as BT says, but his strings are pulled by the unions who dream of going back to the 70s, he is not worldly wise or financially aware as the many efforts to price their policies showed. The manifesto came straight from Unite. Jeremy has extreme views which he hides behind a benign smile and wave. He has no idea about Brexit and would be a disaster if leading negotiations.His deputy is even more extreme but can appear plausible. If people can't pay their car loan or mortgage or loan and feel down and decide to splash out on a cruise to make them fell better we would say more fool you. Labour say we have massive debt growing by £5000 a second so we need to buy more things we don't need to buy and spend more on everything that makes us popular with the masses. The rich and companies will pay ... but of course they will just leave the country for places that offer better conditions.

The Tories don't know where they are and seem to be focussed on Brexit but in different directions and who is the leader. Even they seem to be wanting to spend a bit more. They are not working together and Theresa seems the only one who can do that, but with their party conference coming up who knows what may happen.
The liberals seem focussed on being the party who exits Brexit and hope the masses will come round to that way of thinking. Vince has some good ideas but he's only there for two years or so and no one seems to want to follow their lead.
The SNP are really a left wing socialist party with a nasty nationalist element and have shot them selves in the foot by demanding and whinging and look to have lost the chance or will to go for another referendum, they now have to make up money not coming from Westminster by taxing more so their popularly will decline. Their position on Brexit has wavered and they seem to accept we will leave but still want to be a nuisance. Nothing constructive comes from them. The NHS and education systems are failing and they have used NHS money to fund their own vanity projects like every child must have a guardian to keep them safe at home.

Last time I was a tactical voter aiming to get the SNP out by voting Liberal - it worked but next time who knows.

[sinkov]

Pretty fair summing up OC imo. The state of this country and it's political class at the moment reminds me of the old WW1 saying, 'Lions led by donkeys'.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Let's just hit the issues on the head:
NHS
BREXIT
SINGLE MARKET
CUSTOMS UNION
MINIMUM WAGE
IMMIGRATION
FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT
RENT
TAXATION
GENDER EQUALITY
RACE RELATIONS
SOCIAL FABRIC
HOUSING
HOMELESSNESS
EQUALITY
ETC. ETC.

Only one man has a lucid answer to these vexing questions -

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[army88]

Let's just hit the issues on the head:
NHS
BREXIT
SINGLE MARKET
CUSTOMS UNION
MINIMUM WAGE
IMMIGRATION
FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT
RENT
TAXATION
GENDER EQUALITY
RACE RELATIONS
SOCIAL FABRIC
HOUSING
HOMELESSNESS
EQUALITY
ETC. ETC.

Only one man has a lucid answer to these vexing questions -

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If you find a man to tackle all that you're genius

It's not the man in your picture --- for a long time in this country people continue to be deceived by what can only be described as puppets ( the so called leaders of the main parties).

He'd be lucky if he could sort his own laces out

[sinkov]

Here's three just to be going on with.

NHS.....under which government did Burnley's A&E get closed ?

Minumum Wage.....increased under by the Tories by a far greater amount than Labour ever planned.

Gender Equality.....the Tories have already had two women leaders, when are Labour going to have their first ? The lesson is clear, if you are a woman and want to get to the top in politics, don't join the the Labour Party. Unless you're a woman who likes being patronised of course.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Here's three just to be going on with.

NHS.....under which government did Burnley's A&E get closed ?

Minumum Wage.....increased under by the Tories by a far greater amount than Labour ever planned.

Gender Equality.....the Tories have already had two women leaders, when are Labour going to have their first ? The lesson is clear, if you are a woman and want to get to the top in politics, don't join the the Labour Party. Unless you're a woman who likes being patronised of course.

You are confusing Blair's "Third Way" (i.e. I'm alright Jack, phook you!) with a left of centre socialist Labour Party, inspired by Corbyn.

It needs a brave man to try and wrestle power from the cosy right wing cartel that has been creaming it off for the last four decades.

I'm happy we are at least trying.

[blueheeler1]

Here's three just to be going on with.

NHS.....under which government did Burnley's A&E get closed ?

Minumum Wage.....increased under by the Tories by a far greater amount than Labour ever planned.

Gender Equality.....the Tories have already had two women leaders, when are Labour going to have their first ? The lesson is clear, if you are a woman and want to get to the top in politics, don't join the the Labour Party. Unless you're a woman who likes being patronised of course.

If you could take all the issues --not add political bias or political agenda to them-- and then tackle them in a reasonable way which shares the burden equally amongst the population in proportion to their ability to wear the pain then you have a plan.

But if you single out certain sectors to bear the majority of the pain because of political motivations, spite, envy or because you can wield power for the sake of power you wont last and the loser is not only you--its the bl--dy country.

I was in a union once when there was a thesis on what would happen if you distributed all the wealth of a country equally across the population?

The answer was that in a very short while the status quo would result.

Because there would be people who would spend their new found wealth on new cars and holidays and have nothing left; others would save their money and invest whilst others still would sell stuff to the others.

You end up with what we have now.

Of course, this outcome is never discussed or shared with the population--far easier to feed on people's envy, stir up racial prejudice and blame them for all the problems and adopt pie the sky policies that people want to hear but which can never come to fruition because no-one can afford them.

If you are trillions of pounds in debt you need to wake up to the fact there is a recession--and talking yourself out of it and promising the impossible doesn't actually work.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

There is a simple solution to the need for billions of pounds to regenerate the economy of the United Kingdom.
End austerity and invest in the public sector.
Public sector investment attracts private sector investment.
Nationalise utility companies and the railway.
The vote killer however is we need to increase income tax by five per cent.
That whacks those at the top of the money tree.
Squeezes those who are sat comfortably on the middle branches.
Does not effect the millions who are presently living in real poverty.
I hope Corbyn has the cojones to propose it and then implement it.

[oldcolner]

But BT nationalisatioin isn't investment at all. It's buying something that needs investment. A bit like renting your car or buying it. If you rent it you save £20000 that you can spend on extras. If you spend your £20000 on the car you have no money to invest.
There isn't a money tree and the people and business Labour wish to punish at the top of it can and many will move elsewhere. Then you have to punish the masses, then you lose popularity and run out of money. You can borrow the £20000 to create an illusion of investment, but you have to pay interest just as you do on your rented car.
Just look at the SNP housing taxes which have killed off the sale of expensive houses and left a £50M funding gap. They also left tax allowances frozen and not increased for inflation, putting up taxes for middle and upper classes. No major businesses have moved here recently. Have you seen their popularity ratings.
North Sea oil has left a big funding gap as the price or oil and output has fallen maybe fracking can help boost the income, but till it does there is a lot of borrowing going on to maintain things we can't afford. The NHS is unsustainable without some limits. Do we pay £20m for one persons treatment, can people phone ambulances 8 times a day and expect them to come every time. In Scotland 2% yes 2% of the population occupy 75% of all NHS beds and consume 50% of the drug bill. This may be due to the lack of social care support i.e. No carers to keep them at home.

http://ihub.scot/a-z-programmes/lwic...duals/Overview

In Scotland, a very small proportion of the population uses half of the total hospital and prescribing budget. In fact:

2% of the population in Scotland used 50% of the hospital and community prescribing resource in 2012/13
This translates to 103,715 people using £2.6bn of the hospital and prescribing resources
The 2% of the population used 77% of inpatient bed days
This translates to 103,715 people using approximately 4.9m bed days (4.4m of these through unplanned admissions1)
There is potential for partnerships to gain a better understanding of how resources are used, and how services are interacted with, in their area, to better align services and improve pathways.

If only it were a case of throwing money at health sorry that's far too simplistic.