O/T Theresa

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I honestly can't remember the amount, but it's not important. I will hand over £25 if I lose to keep my reputation intact.

Ah ....... sorry you honestly forgot the amount. On further recollection it could have been a ton .... but I trust your judgement

[seriouspie]

[QUOTE=tarquinbeech;38671441]Serious - You will get me into trouble on here.......again....I'm trying to be a "good boy" after my mate Vlad was booted into cyberspace....I have no wish to join him in the ethereal void of eternal blackness.......even when Elite started his insults last night (see above), I took it on the lower mandible.

Sid is truly an Anarchist, I agree....but I am waiting for him to comment on the "Council House Building facts" before deciding which expletive to add!

.....as for National Service, I'm unsure whether he would have lasted the two years.....unless it was in the glasshouse, jailed for spreading treason among the ranks.

[seriouspie]

About right

[sidders]

You are a piece of work, aren't you, Serious? A nasty man who indulges in character assassination without a shred of proof.
You don't get to be a 2.30 marathon runner without being tough and disciplined. I also managed a 52.50 for 10 miles at the age of 48.

Just 2 days ago you were slagging off me and BFP for resorting to Google to clinch arguments... then you go and do just that! Did I hear an echo from Snoopy in Mexico?
I am no apologist for the Blair/Brown years. Their record on housebuilding for so-called socialists was abysmal but as my quote from Google shows not the disaster that you and Snoopy make out:
Source: DCLG, affordable housing supply statistics

It shows there is actually little to choose between the two parties. The Conservative model – which involves less grant and more investment from housing associations – is arguably more cyclical, and would likely become even more so in a real market downturn. But its peak of 66,700 in 2014/15 beats anything Labour has delivered in recent years.

An important caveat to this, though, is that it includes anything which can be branded affordable and as a result includes shared ownership and ‘affordable’ rents which are up to 80% of market rates. In terms of what is traditionally meant by council housing – socially rented properties – the Conservatives completed divested from them in the 2010 Spending Review. This means the Labour governments of 1997 to 2010 delivered social housing at a far higher rate than the recent Tories.

You see, I actually like the leftward stance of labour under Corbyn but i'm just not convinced about his persona. If only, Starmer was the main man.
So sorry to hear you need viagra to stiffen your resolve. For all my ailments, Willy and I are still on top terms.

[tarquinbeech]

You are a piece of work, aren't you, Serious? A nasty man who indulges in character assassination without a shred of proof.
You don't get to be a 2.30 marathon runner without being tough and disciplined. I also managed a 52.50 for 10 miles at the age of 48.

Just 2 days ago you were slagging off me and BFP for resorting to Google to clinch arguments... then you go and do just that! Did I hear an echo from Snoopy in Mexico?
I am no apologist for the Blair/Brown years. Their record on housebuilding for so-called socialists was abysmal but as my quote from Google shows not the disaster that you and Snoopy make out:
Source: DCLG, affordable housing supply statistics

It shows there is actually little to choose between the two parties. The Conservative model – which involves less grant and more investment from housing associations – is arguably more cyclical, and would likely become even more so in a real market downturn. But its peak of 66,700 in 2014/15 beats anything Labour has delivered in recent years.

An important caveat to this, though, is that it includes anything which can be branded affordable and as a result includes shared ownership and ‘affordable’ rents which are up to 80% of market rates. In terms of what is traditionally meant by council housing – socially rented properties – the Conservatives completed divested from them in the 2010 Spending Review. This means the Labour governments of 1997 to 2010 delivered social housing at a far higher rate than the recent Tories.

You see, I actually like the leftward stance of labour under Corbyn but i'm just not convinced about his persona. If only, Starmer was the main man.
So sorry to hear you need viagra to stiffen your resolve. For all my ailments, Willy and I are still on top terms.

Excellent post Sid - Thank you for the time and effort in posting.....so in summary, Tory and Labour house-building numbers are similar, depending on which period we choose for measuring purposes.

I see the job of Labour in opposition as one of keeping the Tories on their toes until such time as they become electable, or Tories shoot themselves in the foot....or a combination of both.

In fairness, having lived in Mexico for 4 years, there are many similarities between Labour policies and those already adopted by the World's 14th largest economy which I admire......they own their own water, £1 week, Electric £1.50 week, Gasoline 60p litre, Underground 25p all day, anywhere in the capital, multiple rides (some people literally live down there selling nik-naks for that money)

Bus travel is massively competitive with the fleets being the best in the World and several operators competing which keeps the prices low.

Council Tax is practically non-existent, simply because the council have only 3 people and a dog on the payroll....Miriam pays about £1 a month for a nice 3-bed semi

I would actually like to see Labour take some of the Utilities back into Public Ownership if they ever got elected.....I find it strange that a Private Company makes an absolute fortune (see Severn-Trent exec wages) selling you a basic life-essential that you have no choice in removing....I tried removing water and sewage from one of my properties once many years ago (it was a business plus I owned the house next door) but they still hit me because the roof-water ran onto the road and into the road gutter....crazy......that's when I realised that you can never beat the system, only body-swerve a few of the "laws" as best you can.

[Trickytreesreds]

Don't speak ill of the dead, Tricky, and that includes Miss Treeth.

oh nice body swerve Sid, dodged that bullet completely.
Civil housing should have a time limit on it and means tested. You get your house for say, 10 years. Then pay your way like everyone else. Pity Bob Crow thought he'd rape the nation all that time, whilst on a £145 k salary
Man was a parasite.

[seriouspie]

You are a piece of work, aren't you, Serious? A nasty man who indulges in character assassination without a shred of proof.
You don't get to be a 2.30 marathon runner without being tough and disciplined. I also managed a 52.50 for 10 miles at the age of 48.

Just 2 days ago you were slagging off me and BFP for resorting to Google to clinch arguments... then you go and do just that! Did I hear an echo from Snoopy in Mexico?
I am no apologist for the Blair/Brown years. Their record on housebuilding for so-called socialists was abysmal but as my quote from Google shows not the disaster that you and Snoopy make out:
Source: DCLG, affordable housing supply statistics

It shows there is actually little to choose between the two parties. The Conservative model – which involves less grant and more investment from housing associations – is arguably more cyclical, and would likely become even more so in a real market downturn. But its peak of 66,700 in 2014/15 beats anything Labour has delivered in recent years.

An important caveat to this, though, is that it includes anything which can be branded affordable and as a result includes shared ownership and ‘affordable’ rents which are up to 80% of market rates. In terms of what is traditionally meant by council housing – socially rented properties – the Conservatives completed divested from them in the 2010 Spending Review. This means the Labour governments of 1997 to 2010 delivered social housing at a far higher rate than the recent Tories.

You see, I actually like the leftward stance of labour under Corbyn but i'm just not convinced about his persona. If only, Starmer was the main man.
So sorry to hear you need viagra to stiffen your resolve. For all my ailments, Willy and I are still on top terms.

1. Bollux! Give me proof of these times and I'll apologise publicly.

2. It wasn't me who slagged you off concerning the Council House topic - it was my colleague Tarko - so get your facts right.

3. Well I've used Willy all over the world .... he's known (ladies only - not the others) in every major city in the U.K. and abroad
for over 50 enjoyable years. Poor ode lad gets a little limp nowadays so needs a little help as I reach 80. You're still an ode boy yet.

[sidders]

Whether or not you believe me is your problem, Serious. But to all those others who read these posts, I can assure you I'm not lying or exaggerating.
Although not in his class, I was a running partner of John Whetton at Sutton in Ashfield Harriers. David Cropper, the head waiter, was also in my cohort. I have two wall plaques for finishing in the first 100 in fields of 26,000 for the Great North Run - one 71 minutes and one 72.
I ran 50 miles a week on a regular basis in those days, but no I never joined the army, thank God.

[seriouspie]

Whether or not you believe me is your problem, Serious. But to all those others who read these posts, I can assure you I'm not lying or exaggerating.
Although not in his class, I was a running partner of John Whetton at Sutton in Ashfield Harriers. David Cropper, the head waiter, was also in my cohort. I have two wall plaques for finishing in the first 100 in fields of 26,000 for the Great North Run - one 71 minutes and one 72.
I ran 50 miles a week on a regular basis in those days, but no I never joined the army, thank God.

Your explanation makes sense ........ apologies on your athletic prowess I doubted.

Funny enough I met John very briefly when he used to run ahead of the Readyfield Bloodhounds leaving a 'fox like scent' for the hounds to follow. When foxhunting was banned there were two local hunts - the South Notts and the Grove and Rufford whose countries joined around the Newark area. A Caunton farmer (Peter Boddy) was the secretary of the G & R and in order to keep the hunt legally active he formed the Readyfield pack (named after his farm on the Caunton - Maplebeck road ) and replaced the foxhounds with American bloodhounds. With the absence of a fox laying a trail, it needed somebody fit enough to set off some 30 minutes before the hounds and be capable of running several miles over farmland which was often very heavy ground. John volunteered for this job and in doing so allowed the hunt to continue without all the controversy of a blood sport. Peter died a good few years ago and I've left the area, so whether the G & R still meet I don't know, I'll have to ask my step-daughter who used to ride out with them.I believe John was also a teacher ...possibly somewhere in the Mansfield area. He'd be about my age now I would suggest. But overall a good bloke who remained close to his Mansfield roots.

No ......two years serving Queen and country would have made a good lad of yerr !!!!!

[Elite_Pie]

Theresa, the gift that keeps on giving.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41576098