O/T Its surprising how people vote

[SBRed48]

So private patients help the NHS by using "down time" in NHS facilities. Av heard it all now.

Its been a poor attempt at defending private medicine Kerr. Just be grateful your not one of those in a NHS queue.

You can continue if you like but thats me done fo now.

[upthecolliers]

This Kerr caricter spouting on about what happened in the miners strike know's sweet f**** all, I was a miner at Dodworth collery and I voted for strike action around six months before they shut down Cortonwood knowing then that Thatcher government was out to deverstate the miners and their comunatys after slashing the steel industry's l also think Kerr is patient D lonely lost and after attention and only getting that by disagreeing with every thing anyone says.

And that's me done anol.

[SBRed48]

I remember the squealing from high earners when tax rules were changed on company cars.

Next time I see somebody cruising past in a brand new company car splashing a puddle on me I'll be able to say "You poor bugger being exploited in that car".

Av done nar. I now know those in company cars are being stuffed by their employees and can't hand them in.

[Exiletyke]

going round in circles here nip and missing the point, scroll up please Exile I did used to use my own car for work.

I think the point SB was making was that benefits like company cars and private medical insurance were some sort of way of avoiding paying tax, if I'm reading him right. The idea being that a firm would pay you 4k a year less (which you'd pay tax on) and instead give you a brand new beemer which would be a free car you paid nothing on.
It's never worked that way though, I'm taxed to the point that if it wasn't for the high mileage I do it would pay me to fund my own car from the tax I have going out of my monthly wage to pay for my company car.

My question is why should I have to pay so much tax on something I need for my job ? Particularly when you consider that the car is 3 years old but I'm taxed on it's current list price ?
There's no tax avoidance going on with company cars or other benefits. SB thought it was some sort of avoidance tactic for the benefit of the 'high earners' which is far from the truth, most company car users arent high earners, and are penalised through tax for doing a job that needs one. Thats the point I was making, perhaps not so well |?

I have scrolled back & this is what you said [I had read & understood it before]

"So I told them I wasn't prepared to use my own car and they allowed me to choose from the very limited company car list (at my grade of course, you can't just have what you want). Trouble is I pay so much now in company car tax, you pay on the list price of the vehicle for the duration so as the vehicle gets older you still pay the taxable amount based on it's current( new) list price."


But you still chose the company car option, why?
presumably you knew the rules before choosing & you must be on 40% tax I assume

[Exiletyke]

Example?

"Ah... so it is an ideological issue for you. That's why the cross party committee suggested by ESR wouldn't work. It would be a room full of ideologues who would simply fall out. Perhaps the Labour delegation would take Exile along as their figures man, in which case it would quickly kick off."


There are others but I am too busy to search any more
We could now enter a tiresome debate as to what you regard as snidey but don't bother
The example above is snidey

[KerrAvon]

So private patients help the NHS by using "down time" in NHS facilities. Av heard it all now.

Its been a poor attempt at defending private medicine Kerr. Just be grateful your not one of those in a NHS queue.

You can continue if you like but thats me done fo now.

Do you have any figures on private usage, SB? Can you be sure that you aren’t worrying about nothing and making bad points in consequence? They use very little NHS time at all, SB - that’s the point - they have shiny hospitals like the Nuffield at Leeds.

It's a pity that you are going as you still really haven't explained how private medicine does anything other than reduce NHS the overall length for those who find themselves in one. All those patient C's (who you'd rather ignore) benefiting from the queue in front not being lengthened by those going private.

[KerrAvon]

This Kerr caricter spouting on about what happened in the miners strike know's sweet f**** all, I was a miner at Dodworth collery and I voted for strike action around six months before they shut down Cortonwood knowing then that Thatcher government was out to deverstate the miners and their comunatys after slashing the steel industry's l also think Kerr is patient D lonely lost and after attention and only getting that by disagreeing with every thing anyone says.

And that's me done anol.

Aah. I can see the problem here. Your position on the miner's strike is that you got your vote, so that's okay, but the votes of the Cumberland, Midlands, North Derbyshire, South Derbyshire, Lancashire, Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire and North Wales miners who held local ballots and came out against strike action count for nothing in your books – they were asking for the intimidation and violence outside their places of work and in their wider communities.

It’s a bit like your view of this board- anyone who agrees with your politics is fine, but anyone who doesn’t gets your abuse and vitriol.

[KerrAvon]

"Ah... so it is an ideological issue for you. That's why the cross party committee suggested by ESR wouldn't work. It would be a room full of ideologues who would simply fall out. Perhaps the Labour delegation would take Exile along as their figures man, in which case it would quickly kick off."


There are others but I am too busy to search any more
We could now enter a tiresome debate as to what you regard as snidey but don't bother
The example above is snidey

It must be catching. You think it's okay for you to be offensive and make personal points, but nobody is allowed to retaliate.

Were you an only child, by any chance?

Can you point out a dig by me before you became unpleasant and explain your dig before I joined the thread?

We can't have a debate about anything, because you don't do debate. You make your point and then throw a tantrum when someone demonstrates that you are wrong.

[KerrAvon]

Do you have any figures on private usage, SB? Can you be sure that you aren’t worrying about nothing and making bad points in consequence? They use very little NHS time at all, SB - that’s the point - they have shiny hospitals like the Nuffield at Leeds.

It's a pity that you are going as you still really haven't explained how private medicine does anything other than reduce NHS the overall length for those who find themselves in one. All those patient C's (who you'd rather ignore) benefiting from the queue in front not being lengthened by those going private.

Here you go, SB. This might you feel better (no pun intended):

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...-priv-care.pdf

Private and NHS care should be kept as clearly separate as possible.

Private care should be carried out at a different time to the NHS care that a patient is receiving.

Private care should be carried out in a different place to NHS care, as separate from other NHS patients as possible. A different
place would include the facilities of a private healthcare provider, or part of an NHS organisation which has been permanently or temporarily designated for private care, such a private wing, amenity beds or a private room. Trusts may also want to consider using the services of a home healthcare provider where this is clinically appropriate. Putting in place arrangements for separation does not necessarily mean running a separate clinic or ward. As is the case now, specialist equipment such as scanners may be temporarily designated for private use as long as there is no detrimental effect to NHS patients.

[red flagged]

I remember the squealing from high earners when tax rules were changed on company cars.

Next time I see somebody cruising past in a brand new company car splashing a puddle on me I'll be able to say "You poor bugger being exploited in that car".

Av done nar. I now know those in company cars are being stuffed by their employees and can't hand them in.

Seems to me SB you either don't understand where I'm coming from or don't want to. Didn't have you down as one of the handful on here who don't allow facts to the contrary to get in the way of their opinions.

Yes I could hand it back, but how pray tell do I get to Tadcaster on Monday with all my equipment and documentation to carry out SI works on 3 fields I'm looking at for a quarry extension ?

Those in company cars are being stuffed for tax for using a tool of their trade. to answer your original point there's no tax avoidance scam, quite the opposite.