Now Pardew has gone

[Jammy89]

You are coming across pretty patronising ghost.

You are all wrong because you are blinded by hatred, only I really understand - that is how it comes across.

"Your hatred is built up by the position you're in. I can see that" - were you planing on patting him on the head as you said that?

It reads like you ignoring all of his flaws and saying they are caused by fan hatred. I understand that is not what you are saying but it does come across like that.

I also have to question - why are Baggies more suited to the Championship? What makes you believe that?

Personally I think they'll come straight back up.

[sherwoodmag]

By mutual consent is managerial speak for sacking managers even in Industry.Lets look at his managerial career so far.

Reading/left them to join West Ham without getting permission to speak to them.
West Ham/sacked
Charlton/sacked
Southampton/sacked
Newcastle/left to join Palace
Palace/sacked
WBA/sacked,mutual consent my backside.

[ghostrider]

You are coming across pretty patronising ghost.
You are all wrong because you are blinded by hatred, only I really understand - that is how it comes across.
"Your hatred is built up by the position you're in. I can see that" - were you planing on patting him on the head as you said that?

It reads like you ignoring all of his flaws and saying they are caused by fan hatred. I understand that is not what you are saying but it does come across like that.

I can't help how people take what I say. I say what I feel and people have every right to ignore it or argue it. I could argue exactly the same cases with people having a pop but I won't get into any of it.

I also have to question - why are Baggies more suited to the Championship? What makes you believe that?

Personally I think they'll come straight back up.

With their set up as it is right now with their owner/board and players, I genuinely believe their fans will get much more satisfaction out of pushing for promotion in the championship or holding their own rather than surviving in this premier league.
They might come back up but my guess would be, under their regime they could very well be a hit or a massive miss depending on what their owner is willing to do.

My guess is, they will enjoy a battle of wills around the play off mark before stagnating.
My best guess and only time will tell what will be what.

[TheBigSausage]

It baffles me how the likes of P45due and Hughes walk into other jobs .

If the owners of clubs think Pardew will get them out the mire they deserve everything they get.. its just a shame the fans have to endure the demise of their clubs in the fallout.

IF Rafa does a runner, feck nose who we will end up with , probably Pardew .

[Zippity]

Teams are too scared to think outside the box; like, say, Southampton did when they went for Pochettino-he'd had mixed results with Espanyol but their decision has been vindicated by how well he's done since. Ironic, then, that they've gone for one of the dinosaurs on the managerial merry-go-round.

The problem is that the Premier League-and all its millions-has become the be all and end all which means that, increasingly, only instant success is acceptable. Sadly, 'success' is seen as staying in this league for many chairmen and I get the feeling that all these managers-Pardew, Moyes, Allardyce, Hughes. (and to a lesser extent Pullis, Bruce, Redknapp and Hodgson) whilst not being seen as the man to take a club to the next level, are seen as someone who will 'steady the ship' because they 'know the league'.

[ghostrider]

By mutual consent is managerial speak for sacking managers even in Industry.Lets look at his managerial career so far.

Reading/left them to join West Ham without getting permission to speak to them.

Reading: He turned the club around from relegation fighters to promotion candidates.
Pardew's Reading side lost 3–2 to Walsall in a Division Two play-off final at the end of the 2000–01 season, but this was redeemed the next season as the club achieved automatic promotion to Division One. Pardew's first season in the higher division was impressive, as the club finished fourth. They lost in the play-offs again, this time to Wolverhampton Wanderers.

Early into the 2003–04 season, West Ham United asked Reading permission to appoint Pardew as their new manager. Although Reading refused permission, Pardew resigned from his position on 10 September 2003. Eventually, a compromise agreement was reached, allowing Pardew to become manager at West Ham.

I don't see any issues there.

West Ham/sacked

Pardew's first season at West Ham resulted in a play-off final defeat to his former club Crystal Palace
2004–05 season, West Ham struggled to find promotion form, with Pardew coming under pressure from the club's supporters
West Ham eventually succeeded in gaining promotion to the Premier League after defeating Preston North End in the play-off final.

Pardew guided the Hammers to ninth place in the Premier League in the 2005–06 season, which culminated in an appearance in the final of the FA Cup
After drawing 3–3 with Liverpool at the end of extra time, West Ham lost on penalties,[23] resulting in the second FA Cup final defeat of Pardew's career.

2006–07 season he was sacked but not a bad run for him and I also remember the way he was messed around with the Tevez and Mascherano situation, etc.

On the August 31, Tevez and Mascherano found themselves either side of Alan Pardew, holding aloft West Ham United kits with a look of bemusement etched on all three faces.

Who was calling the shots? Not Pardew it seems and this is why people need to look further than just blaming a manager.

Charlton/sacked

He took over with Charlton in 19th place in the Premier League. Although Charlton's form improved under Pardew, he was unable to keep Charlton up, resulting in the first relegation of his career, both as a player and manager

Hit and miss after that and his first club where you can consider him to be a failure overall.

Southampton/sacked

Pardew was named the new manager of Southampton on 17 July 2009
Pardew led his side up the League One table, and, despite their ten-point deduction, their challenge for a playoff place was kept alive until there were just two league games remaining.

Pardew led Southampton to the 2010 League Trophy final at Wembley Stadium, where they won 4–1 against Carlisle United.
The win gave the club their first trophy since 1976
Five months later, Pardew was dismissed by the club amidst reports of low staff morale and conflicts between Pardew and club chairman Nicola Cortese.
Hardly unsuccessful but not liked by the owner it seems.

Newcastle.

We all know his tenure at Newcastle. I'd say he had a decent go at it and all told he didn't do a bad job considering the circumstances of everything that was going on.
He wasn't sacked and I do recall fans begging him not to take the England job at one point.
He's never slagged the club off.

Palace

Palace/sacked

Pardew went on to guide Crystal Palace to their best ever Premier League finish of tenth place
The Daily Mirror reported that Pardew was the first manager to take over a Premier League club in the relegation zone and eventually guide them to a top half finish

The 2015–16 season started well for Pardew. Wins over teams such as Chelsea, Aston Villa and Liverpool meant there was talk of a UEFA Europa League spot early in the campaign.
Imagine the expectation going sky high. Just goes to show you what fans jump to from one hope to another of high expectations.
After 19 games, the season's midpoint, Palace sat in fifth position in the Premier League, and looked well positioned to challenge for said European spot going into the New Year of 2016.

Imagine that. His second season after keeping them up and here is is having them challenging for Europe.

They didn't make it because everything came crashing down. But why?
Managerial ineptness after all that?...Doesn't seem right does it?
This is why I say, look deeper that just a dislike for Pardew and his supposed bad management which can clearly be seen as a myth.

WBA/sacked,mutual consent my backside.

Whatever you want to think of it, he had 21 games with a squad that was not up to it and/or bothered under one manager so his position was simply a hit or a miss. Obviously it was a miss and he left by mutual consent, not sacked.
However, people can interpret it however much they want but the overall reality is.....he is not a bad manager.
He might not be a top manager but, as I've said before. He's certainly on par with most managers.

That's my 100% wholehearted take on it all and I won't change my stance.
What anyone else does is entirely up to them.

[sherwoodmag]

Called into the directors boardroom and told we want you to leave how do you feel? i.e. mutual consent is no different to being sacked.

If you say I don't agree because I don't want to leave then they say well your going anyway collect your things.It is just a way of sacking politely.

[ghostrider]

Called into the directors boardroom and told we want you to leave how do you feel? i.e. mutual consent is no different to being sacked.

If you say I don't agree because I don't want to leave then they say well your going anyway collect your things.It is just a way of sacking politely.

However people want to interpret it.
The way I see it is very simple.
They gave Pardew a contract, just like they did with Pulis.
Pardew couldn't get the required effort from a certain amount of players and the board start panicking.
They dangle carrots in the players faces with a nice holiday and they lose their focus even more. Including Pardew.

They want to sack him as they did with Pulis but know a compensation package to pay up his wages would be required.More than likely Pardew's been a gentleman... and rather than rock the boat he's took a smaller compensation package and a mutually acceptable parting of company has ensued.

That's my take and it could well be different to what I've said.
It could also be well different with your stance on being sacked.

[baggieal]

Pardew is a manager. I'd say a decent manager. Decent does not mean perfect or messiah like.
However, maybe not playing some of your talented youngsters maybe because the pressure does not ask for it and could do the opposite of bringing them to the fore. It could set them back.
Think about it.

That depends on what quality you have and what experience to go with that quality. If it's in abundance then he's a mug but if it's not, he has to do what he thinks is the best hope....right?

He's been hung out to dry man.
21 games with a squad of players, half of who don't seem to give a rats aris for your club. That's a massive kick in the nuts for any manager.
Pulis was despatched 16 games in, right? Why?.....Bad manager?....Not playing the style of football to which you all want?
All managers make decisions that baffle tactically. It can irritate but it depends on what that tactically means in terms of your team and what the overall reasons were to try and find some kind of happy medium among what was available.


I wonder what you'd be saying if Sturridge had hit the ground running and got you lot out of the mire.....but, even so, I wonder who actually sanctioned that deal to start with. I bet it wasn't Pardew, so where would you look other than that?
Wherever that is could be a major player in the problem. Somewhere in that boardroom, eh.....maybe?

Many managers can't control players because the money has eaten away at the brains of too many and it's festering among clubs as we speak.
Once you've got a few irritants at your club, you're in trouble.
Not allowing Evans to leave was a massive mistake and it's coming back to haunt the club, because you've got a disgruntled player and a player that's clearly not fit to play for your club after the incident in Span.


No....blame your board for sacking Pulis so early. Sacking a man that would have most likely been touted as a latter saviour had he not already been at your club and sacked.
Blame your board for being smug arrogant and clueless mugs and blame your board for literally hanging out Pardew to dry. A big scapegoat has been made and a certain amount of your players and hierarchy need to take a massive amount of blame, In my opinion....and is all is just my opinion, so take it as that.


Quality wise you're probably close to being correct. Togetherness and effort wise, we're miles ahead.
A few bad apples and all that. We 've all seen this before and someone has to take the flack for it. generally it's the manager.


Your hatred is built up by the position you're in. I can see that. Pardew will never be on your christmas card list. I can see that.
21 games in charge of a sinking ship is hanging a person out to dry no matter what excuses are made for tactics and harmony under him. The rot was already eating deep into the supports well before Pardew came in.
Championship football is better for you...seriously with your set up.
I think your club will be away from the premier league for many many years to come under the regime you have.



He won't need to drop them...they'll be gone and you'll need to rebuild.
You need a manager who'll be allowed to manage, because I don't think Pardew's has jurisdiction in most of this set up. Interference is my bet...but then again I'm merely best guessing like we all are...even you...because none of us really know what goes on behind closed doors.

What a lot of complete bollox you spout. There was a divide for Pulis being sacked as he parked the bus too often but the team was generally organised and set up not to lose. There was no divide for clueless Pardew as everybody at the club wanted him out - no discipline and absolutely clueless.

You say we would not have been saying the things about Sturridge had he hit the ground running - probably not but only a buffoon gambles 4 million on a sole new player whose injury record is shocking.

As for being set up for the championship - what an insult. West Brom would come in the top ten for a club who are not in debt and financially sound and have one of the richest owners around - will he spend the cash in the Championship - who knows! By contrast, you have one of the meanest knob heads as an owner going who would rape the club at any opportunity.

Pardew should be put out to graze now. You have Rafa who is a suberb manager and good luck to you, and hope he takes your club to the success it deserves.

[Jammy89]

.More than likely Pardew's been a gentleman... and rather than rock the boat he's took a smaller compensation package and a mutually acceptable parting of company has ensued.

****ing hell ghost, just when i didn't think you could go even more in to a Pardew defence