Are we good enough for this type of management?

[ghostrider]

No, I agree...Rafa's system works for the players we have and I certainly don't think we have players who can express themselves anyway, by and large. I just think that sometimes there are opportunities that present themselves where, if the players had a little leeway, they could take advantage.

But we do have players that can express themselves.

[Geordie_Jacko]

I absolutely and totally disagree.
Rafa's system is pathetic. It's geared for boredom and is as dire as dire can be.
I don't care about 50 million players against 10 million or 8 million players.
It's about a squad mentality creating a weekly team mentality to take the game to the opposition as much as the opposition does to us.

Yeah we'll get beat many times but we'll also win a good amount and draw.
Relegation is not even on a radar for us when up against 14 other teams of which we are more than capable of getting something from by playing balanced football and ensuring we use the players we have in the positions they play in, to full effect.

All that's happening is they are being offensively stifled as well as defensively put upon due to seriously over cautious tactics.

It's depressing man.

And when people say about we would get hammered it's pretty irrelevant when we get beat anyway. Why not go at them yesterday at Home? yeah they might of banged in 5-6 goals but we may of bagged a few and gave a real good account of ourselves. I'd rather have a defeat like that then a defeat defending for a game.

[ghostrider]

We know. No need to keep repeating that.

Anyhow, I agree the system is a bit too rigid, but against some of the best players in the world? No problem for me.

Like I said, I'm more worried about the Cardiff game!

Brighton played some of the best players in the world.
Many teams do and get results by having a go.

Too many excuses are being made for Rafa when his football (although defensively well drilled) is literally dire in the main.
There's no need for it, at all.

If he had a team full of league one players then I'd have a bit more sympathy.
All he's doing is setting out with a mindset of not getting beat with the potential of nicking something by hook or by crook on the back of hope (at the back) and glory (with a set piece or lucky strike) kind of thing.

I'd literally rather be in the non- league trying rather than having a team set out to allow the bigger teams to just come and batter us at will and embarrass us whilst we pay players 30,40,50,60,70 grand a week.

Look...no matter what, this team costs millions and millions. You wouldn't expect a surgeon to only half heartedly have a go at an operation because he's only on 1 million a year whilst another one is on 10 times that amount does a decent job.

You're paid to do the job and Rafa is no exception to that rule. The job is to have a go with the emphasis on trying to beat the opposition...regardless..

[ghostrider]

And when people say about we would get hammered it's pretty irrelevant when we get beat anyway. Why not go at them yesterday at Home? yeah they might of banged in 5-6 goals but we may of bagged a few and gave a real good account of ourselves. I'd rather have a defeat like that then a defeat defending for a game.

Exactly.
Give your forward thinking players the opportunity to enhance their natural game and your forward rewards can be potentially match winning and at times in abundance.

Score more than the opposition and gain players that are up for it and fans that encourage it.
Too many fans are feeling privileged to have Rafa and are basically not too keen on letting him know his football is garbage, due to his tactics...not the players he has.

[ashingtoon62]

Exactly.
Give your forward thinking players the opportunity to enhance their natural game and your forward rewards can be potentially match winning and at times in abundance.

Score more than the opposition and gain players that are up for it and fans that encourage it.
Too many fans are feeling privileged to have Rafa and are basically not too keen on letting him know his football is garbage, due to his tactics...not the players he has.

Canny thread this like,you start it! then talk to yourself (mostly shoite by the way) in my utmost honest opinion..

Then you say fan for life!Which club are you a fan of?
Or are you just a fan of yourself? Either way you are one big bellend and your snidey little wind up comments are just that!.Are you hosebound/disabled etc? Maybe you are but there are hundreds of thousands in your boat but most of them aren't bellends,this is just my thoughts of course and could be miles off,see what I'm doing here?

I like the way you are treated on the Mag best,you get your sh it rammed straight back down your throat,as it should be.
Unfortunately on this board people still try to argue/debate your sh it..
Oh and haven't seen you on the Ronnie site for a while,the lads on there have got yee bang to rights as well..

In my opinion,I'm allowed one yes? is that you are a Troll and you couldn't fu cking wait till your alarm went off this morning.Would you have even set it if we had got a draw or god forbid beat the half a billion pound team...
Now that I'm logged on I won't be able to see your shoite reply so divvin't bother ya wa nker..

[pboromag]

I can't believe anyone not a toon supporter would want to watch what we have to under Rafa

He is the worst prem manager we have had
He is in most cases the most negative / defensive we have had
Even fat Sam

I think the two go together

We have some good attacking players
Not world beaters
But better at attacking than defending

So when he says he is playing the cards he has been dealt he is lying

You have to attack at home
Under Rafa we rarely do

The game has developed

A lot of managers have grasped this
Rafa hasn't

When he spouts out results from several years ago to justify his tactics then we know we must be looking for a new manager

Rafa let a lot of good players go

He dealt those cards

Any manager will get these players top 12 and play better footy

[Geordie1974]

I can't believe anyone not a toon supporter would want to watch what we have to under Rafa

He is the worst prem manager we have had
He is in most cases the most negative / defensive we have had
Even fat Sam

I think the two go together

We have some good attacking players
Not world beaters
But better at attacking than defending

So when he says he is playing the cards he has been dealt he is lying

You have to attack at home
Under Rafa we rarely do

The game has developed

A lot of managers have grasped this
Rafa hasn't

When he spouts out results from several years ago to justify his tactics then we know we must be looking for a new manager

Rafa let a lot of good players go

He dealt those cards

Any manager will get these players top 12 and play better footy

Okay.Thanks for that.Dont think it needs any more responses.Just wish you had mentioned this more than the 1000s of times you have before.

[Cannylad]

Canny thread this like,you start it! then talk to yourself (mostly shoite by the way) in my utmost honest opinion..

Then you say fan for life!Which club are you a fan of?
Or are you just a fan of yourself? Either way you are one big bellend and your snidey little wind up comments are just that!.Are you hosebound/disabled etc? Maybe you are but there are hundreds of thousands in your boat but most of them aren't bellends,this is just my thoughts of course and could be miles off,see what I'm doing here?

I like the way you are treated on the Mag best,you get your sh it rammed straight back down your throat,as it should be.
Unfortunately on this board people still try to argue/debate your sh it..
Oh and haven't seen you on the Ronnie site for a while,the lads on there have got yee bang to rights as well..

In my opinion,I'm allowed one yes? is that you are a Troll and you couldn't fu cking wait till your alarm went off this morning.Would you have even set it if we had got a draw or god forbid beat the half a billion pound team...
Now that I'm logged on I won't be able to see your shoite reply so divvin't bother ya wa nker..

Come on now Ash, don't sit on the fence, tell us what you really think !
Totally agree with you like.