o/t which party will fold first..

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Neither of the two major party's will fold , certainly they both have major problems at the moment but both have proved capable of reinventing themselves over the years .

Thatcher routed Labour in the 80's and Blair routed the tories in the 90's .

You could have made a case for either of them not seeing power ever again but they bounced backed .

Out of the two Labour are probably more vulnerable but the tories would never be allowed to fold , far too much money and self interest invested in them by powerful people for that ever to happen .

Very true. Labour on the other hand depend heavily the Unions, which makes the Labour Party stance on cheap foreign labour completely baffling. EU workers in the U.K. just don’t join unions.

[ragingpup]

Very true. Labour on the other hand depend heavily the Unions, which makes the Labour Party stance on cheap foreign labour completely baffling. EU workers in the U.K. just don’t join unions.

That may not be the case, but it is proven that on balance, the vast majority of EU workers do valuable work which through taxes adds to UK wealth. Further, many do low paid care service work which we will struggle without as there are not enough native workers to fill those positions.

[gm_gm]

That may not be the case, but it is proven that on balance, the vast majority of EU workers do valuable work which through taxes adds to UK wealth. Further, many do low paid care service work which we will struggle without as there are not enough native workers to fill those positions.

You live in a parallel universe, the cash economy is hugely underestimated, theres still a large portion of people who are being paid £5 / hour (over 25s) this inst collected for tax purposes, instead it leaks away

[great_fire]

Very true. Labour on the other hand depend heavily the Unions, which makes the Labour Party stance on cheap foreign labour completely baffling. EU workers in the U.K. just don’t join unions.

The unions are "proletarian internationalists" as well though, they don't just see themselves standing up for their members but for all the workers of the world.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

The unions are "proletarian internationalists" as well though, they don't just see themselves standing up for their members but for all the workers of the world.

Whilst investing members money in finance schemes they are supposedly opposed to.

[animallittle3]

The unions are "proletarian internationalists" as well though, they don't just see themselves standing up for their members but for all the workers of the world.

Lol !!!

I've held a union card for 41 years and the majority of members don't give a shyte about the other shift never mind romanian miners just as long as they are ok .

[great_fire]

Lol !!!

I've held a union card for 41 years and the majority of members don't give a shyte about the other shift never mind romanian miners just as long as they are ok .

Talking about the leadership not the members.

[animallittle3]

Talking about the leadership not the members.

I think you'll find most trade union leaders have enough on their plate dealing with the UK workplace fire .

[great_fire]

I think you'll find most trade union leaders have enough on their plate dealing with the UK workplace fire .

You only have to read the Unite Magazine and similar to see they're the same as all the other socialists, and are in favour of unrestricted immigration, even though it's not in their members' interests.