O/T For those who claim that the BBC is left wing.

[ragingpup]

I stopped taking you seriously when you cited skawkbox and reduced the argument to exactly how much Corbyn was paid by Iran as though that actually mattered, raging (trying to joke it off with the 20 billion comment doesn't help you either). It was reminiscent of you citing Russia Today to confirm your assertion that the BBC is right wing.

I've always argued that the BBC sits largely in the centre That's why it manages to upset zealots on both the Left and Right.

P.s. Are you arguing that people would see that Corbyn was coloured red and think that means he is Left wing? Erm, I think people would notice and he is Left wing.

We all know that you stopped arguing as you couldn't answer the questions, as you always do. Doesn't matter where who posed the qiestions:

1. Where do you get the evidence that Corbyn appeared on Iran TV 4 times including 2011-12 as you allege?

2. You are clearly interested in how much Corbyn earned. That's why you kept repeating the amount in lots of different posts as if they were your only language. So, so I repeat, where do you get the evidence that he earned 20k as you repeatedly stated?

3. Corbyn repeatedly voted against Iranian policies in Parliament in 2010,the year you allege her was repeatedly on Iran tv. How do you square that with him being pro Iranian?

4. Where were your preferred politicians in the same votes against Iran policies? If you feel so strongly on Iranian policies to keep repeatedly raising it on a football message board, then surely you can point to more wholesome politicians of the time that you supported, that at least followed Corbyn into the anti Iran policy votes? No?

I'm sure you'll agree, at least inwardly, that it makes no difference that skawkbox raised these questions. No difference at all. You simply have to exercise your intellect and research to find evidence to the contrary. Evidence that supports YOUR argument against the evidence put forward by Skawkbox. So all you have to do is provide evidence to the contrary. Unfortunately for you, I know that you can't, you know that you can't, asks the two people in here that are able to follow the argument know that you can't. Yours is a defeated argument. Unless of course you can provide some evidence?

Ps. Oddly I would disagree with you that the BBC is, on balance, bang in the centre. I would say that, based on overall output, especially in comedy, that it is slightly left of centre. Pretty much as mbfc calls it. That's probably coloured by the fact that I l quite like Daily Mash though and can't see a right wing alternative!

[WanChaiMiller]

Kerr - what do you make of Johners and Hunties sweetners.

[Shark27]

Eeerrrrmmm, you haven't quoted the bit about general news. General news is a wide range of subjects so I can see why you would want people to think they lean to the right for General subjects. But if you look at your link it says in general they are more centre left.

Just to summarise;

According to Media bias fact check, when it comes to general news the BBC are more centre left.

I thought I would just confirm this as raging seems to be confused by his own links.

[great_fire]

The obsession with Antifa is a huge recurring feature on the far right web sites, all spun with exactly the same rhetoric on leftard fascists making us all like North Korea. This could be copy pasted from such sites.

Just sayin'

Sounds like I should set up my own "far-right" site then but then again everyone to the right of Corbyn is "far-right" to you people.

[great_fire]

I think what Fire is bemoaning, at heart, is his frustration that he can't scream out "GET OUT OF MY ****ING COUNTRY YOU COLOURED, SCROUNGING, INFERIOR, SCARY, FUNNY LOOKING FOREIGN *******S!!!".

Let's boil it down. That's what free speech means to him.

No free speech is exactly what it says.

Fair play to the few left-wing celebrities who defend it like Ricky Gervais and David Baddiel.

A plague on the houses of those who don't but it's the same people who are also against democracy isn't it?

Being anti-free speech and anti-democracy isn't really commendable is it?

And they think they're the caring, sharing, good guys as well

[Pattylallacks2]

Quite a coincidence that the Great Fire started in Pudding Lane

[great_fire]

Quite a coincidence that the Great Fire started in Pudding Lane

Not really.

A fire starting in a bakery is not that surprising.

[KerrAvon]

Kerr - what do you make of Johners and Hunties sweetners.

I haven't been following the campaigns particularly closely as I am bored with it. Based upon what I have heard my response would be 'almost certainly unrealistic and nowt to do with whether the BBC is politically biased'.

[ragingpup]

Just to summarise;

According to Media bias fact check, when it comes to general news the BBC are more centre left.

I thought I would just confirm this as raging seems to be confused by his own links.

Can you link me to where it says "when it comes to general news the BBC are more centre left".

The words are "story selection", which is much broader and allowed breathing space to be more diverse, with much broader content on 'news' websites, as opposed to the much more revealing shorter news broadcasts on TV, where it is much more notable what is selected/left out from the possible range on offer. I think the fact their 'right leaning' on "certain areas they lean right, such as business, immigration, and religion" is more notable there. But on the whole I agree with Kerr that the actual news broadcasts themselves are pretty much bang in the centre.

[ragingpup]

Sounds like I should set up my own "far-right" site then but then again everyone to the right of Corbyn is "far-right" to you people.

You could set one up Fire but you know as well as I do that many of them exist already!

By the way, you seem to be avoiding the 'difficult questions' that Roly and I put forward? Does your freeze peach extend to a person yelling "**** off home nigger" on the high street, or "you're a dirty ****ing p*ki piece of ****", or "Please support my campaign to murder the infidels of the West"?

Happy with those?

How about "I am a white British person and feel that my country's identity is being eroded and I would like to forcibly deport all immigrants who arrived in my country since 1990, along with their families"

Is that ok?

Or 1980? 1950? 1920s 1870? 1066?

Any of those ok?

How about "I am concerned that the country is economically unable to cope with the influx of immigration and would like tougher immigration controls".

Anyone stopping you saying that?

Which of the above statements are you happy to hear expressed on your high street and which do you feel that lefty liberals are stopping you saying that you would like to say?