O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[great_fire]

They havent voted on it yet.

OK then they're trying to block it, same thing.

[rolymiller]

Come on you nos

[rolymiller]

Oh dear you should have seen Rees moggs face after the second vote. Thought he was gonna roor. And come on Boris whats all this pausing nonsense mps have actually started to show some interest in your deal geddit passed man even Corbyn said he will help you.

[Timbertop]

Once again Labour have betrayed the voting public. Contemptible. They have no chance of winning an election.

[rolymiller]

Nonsense Labour rebels have backed the first vote or it wouldn't have got thru. Brexit is coming it just hopefully wont be a right wing one now, gotta be good for your kids and grandkids. Worrrever you think of Labour they will come across as the party who didn't take us off the precipice to disaster in an election and
very cleverly done as well.

Up yours Boris and the ERG and Nigey boy.

By the way Baron And Champion voted with Boris on the first vote so you can at least vote for them.

Baron is a disgrace by the way because he even backed the second motion he might as well wear a blue tie and sit on the other benches shytebag.

[KerrAvon]

Project Fear? Blimey, Kerr even using hard Brexiteers lingo now. When were you radicalised?!

What period of time were we managing perfectly well before eu laws? 1970? I would argue that the general trajectory on working conditions and job security is very much downwards since then. America is an extreme, much, much worse than Europe but seems, from the words of Brexiteers, that they are the direction we seem to be wanting to head, as euro countries are clearly so corrupt.

Have you noticed any scenarios where you indulge in project fear scenarios? In fact, of all posters on here, in relation to labour, you are probably the most indulgent project fear poster on MM. Bless ya.

If I see an example of project fear, I will call it out, raging, my dear fellow.

That being said, your project fear isn’t very coherent. You justify proposing to allow a foreign parliament to make law for UK citizens by saying it is necessary to maintain worker’s rights but in the next breath you argue that the general trajectory on working conditions and job security is very much downwards since [the 1970s]. In other words you are arguing that working conditions and job security deteriorated during the period of our EU membership. That doesn’t make much sense does it?

Your particular attempt at project fear was the suggestion that British workers might find themselves with only 6 days paid leave. I have been in employment on and off since 1979. The EU minimum leave directive came into effect in 1998, and yet I never found myself with just six days leave before then when the UK Parliament was in control of the issue. You have said that you are in your fifties and so you have almost certainly worked for 30+years. Did ever have just six days leave prior to 1998?

And of course, if you are going to hold forth on the subject, you must be aware that the EU minimum is 20 days but the British government increased it to 28 to cover bank holidays, which kind of scotches your 'the British Parliament cant be trusted with worker’s rights' story, doesn’t it?

We also seemed to manage to set a minimum wage without any help from Brussels.

I see that you have moved onto another project fear tack with your notion that Brexiteers seem to want to move us in an American direction. What Brexiteer words make you think that? And how do you think it would come about? It’s Parliament that makes laws, not the government. Are you permanently ruling out a Labour victory in a GE? Don’t you think the working electorate might notice when they suddenly don’t have enough leave for their fortnight in Crete?

Kind regards,

Kerr

[KerrAvon]

Nonsense Labour rebels have backed the first vote or it wouldn't have got thru. Brexit is coming it just hopefully wont be a right wing one now, gotta be good for your kids and grandkids. Worrrever you think of Labour they will come across as the party who didn't take us off the precipice to disaster in an election and
very cleverly done as well.

Up yours Boris and the ERG and Nigey boy.

By the way Baron And Champion voted with Boris on the first vote so you can at least vote for them.

Baron is a disgrace by the way because he even backed the second motion he might as well wear a blue tie and sit on the other benches shytebag.

So as far as you are concerned, Roly, Barron is a disgrace and a shytebag for voting with his conscience?

That kind of puts your indignation (on post 3427) at Mark Francois for calling someone an idiot into context doesn't it? A tad hypocritical?

[ragingpup]

Why do you want to stay in the EU then?

When I voted Remain it was more in mind of the fact that the political and trading relationship amongst European countries had brought the longest war free period we have even seen from member countries. Nationalistic tones coming throughout Europe are dreadfully worrying. For me we are a bunch of humans living on the same lump of rock separated by water. We all have the same human joys, struggles and worries, just different languages and customs. The more we unite nations, not separate them, the better for me.

But we lost the referendum so I'm accepting we should leave, but I want just the dame amount of say in the terms of how we leave as you do. Same for all the 48%.The final terms of the future relationship should reflect 100% of the UK, not just the 52%.

[rolymiller]

Not really he is meant to be a labour mp he often votes for the tories oh dumpling one! Put it this way if he was my MP I would be wanting shut of him for not representing my views.

My bingo card is at the ready...

[KerrAvon]

Not really he is meant to be a labour mp he often votes for the tories oh dumpling one! Put it this way if he was my MP I would be wanting shut of him for not representing my views.

My bingo card is at the ready...

Really, Roly.

It's all a bit redolent of the elite Liberal bigotry point made by IBS this morning: "We are tolerant provided you have the right opinions".

You'll have to get the boys from Momentum in to deselect him. They know how to deal with these counter revolutionary types .