O/T:- The CV19 Legacy

[optipez]

1. Rid the planet of the scourge of Trump and Trumpism
2. Bring China 'to the table' and create fairer terms of global trade
3. Create a world that respects the Earth and all the creatures that dwell on it

China have been brought to the table, they're at all the high tables of world office.
In return they're responsible for around two thirds of industrial espionage, the majority of illegal poaching of endangered species is done to provide them with aphrodisiacs and bogus health cures.
They're the world's biggest polluters and by far the biggest coal burners.
They execute prisoners to order for body parts, ( Isreal had to pass a law stopping its citizens getting transplants in China when it realised how the organs were obtained).
It's repressed followers of various religions, up to 1 1/2 million Muslims , Christians and the Phallongong.
They've constantly depressed their currency to aid exports.
They've moved into Africa as little more than colonialists.
And of course, Covid 19 is entirely their gift to the world. Hubei province was quarantined from the rest of China yet didn't close its airports to international travel. They knew what they were doing.
Their figures for Covid 19 were and are blatant lies that handicapped the rest of the world trying to deal with this.

But hey, Trump is the scourge.

[sidders]

The poor who have to go to work often on insecure contracts are going to get poorer. The keyboard bound middle classes are going to escape the worst of it while actually saving money.
The public sector will cruise through this, the private sector will be in real trouble in some sectors.
Amazon, Ebay, Twitter, Google , Facebook and Apple will become more powerful, our local home grown tax base will get hammered.
I don't blame the government for trying it's best to save the lives of the elderly and vulnerable, it's the opposite of the cliched heartless Tory narrative but the cost to our under 40s is disproportionately high and if this goes on its going to hit them for years to come.

The same things were said about 'the boomer generation' coming out of the Second World War. The world was an utter mess and they would have to pick up the tab for years to come, commentators said. I was a part of that generation.
Because of good planning on both sides of the Atlantic in the years following the war, life took about 15 years to return to an even keel. The same could apply here - if governments come together.

[sidders]

China have been brought to the table, they're at all the high tables of world office.
In return they're responsible for around two thirds of industrial espionage, the majority of illegal poaching of endangered species is done to provide them with aphrodisiacs and bogus health cures.
They're the world's biggest polluters and by far the biggest coal burners.
They execute prisoners to order for body parts, ( Isreal had to pass a law stopping its citizens getting transplants in China when it realised how the organs were obtained).
It's repressed followers of various religions, up to 1 1/2 million Muslims , Christians and the Phallongong.
They've constantly depressed their currency to aid exports.
They've moved into Africa as little more than colonialists.
And of course, Covid 19 is entirely their gift to the world. Hubei province was quarantined from the rest of China yet didn't close its airports to international travel. They knew what they were doing.
Their figures for Covid 19 were and are blatant lies that handicapped the rest of the world trying to deal with this.

But hey, Trump is the scourge.

You've jumped the wrong way, old boy. By bringing them to the table, I meant make them answerable for where the world is and hammer out an agreed forward agenda. Blaming China for much that has gone wrong is one of the few things Trump has got right - even if I haven't always liked the way he's called it.

[drillerpie]

Blaming China for much that has gone wrong is one of the few things Trump has got right - even if I haven't always liked the way he's called it.

I actually agree with that. China is a nettle that nobody wanted to grasp and he has (noisily, you might say clumsily) grasped it. That is a good thing.

I wonder how far he's going to take it, now that he seems to have settled on it as his coronavirus incompetence deflection strategy / reelection strategy, and worry that he might do a reverse JFK, but generally speaking this is something good that Trump has done that most other presidents wouldn't have done.

[magpie_mania]

I actually agree with that. China is a nettle that nobody wanted to grasp and he has (noisily, you might say clumsily) grasped it. That is a good thing.

I wonder how far he's going to take it, now that he seems to have settled on it as his coronavirus incompetence deflection strategy / reelection strategy, and worry that he might do a reverse JFK, but generally speaking this is something good that Trump has done that most other presidents wouldn't have done.

Reminds me of a scenario just before Christmas:

Let's get Brexit done
Let's get China done

[optipez]

The same things were said about 'the boomer generation' coming out of the Second World War. The world was an utter mess and they would have to pick up the tab for years to come, commentators said. I was a part of that generation.
Because of good planning on both sides of the Atlantic in the years following the war, life took about 15 years to return to an even keel. The same could apply here - if governments come together.

I hope you're right, it's a magnitude of economic disruption that I've never lived through.

[optipez]

I agree with that, misunderstood your first comment.
I think under Xi China have turned away from the sun the last few years.

[BigFatPie]

China shouldn’t have got the 2008 Olympics and we shouldn’t be doing the amount of trade we do with them, (though lots of people who are getting stuck into them now were banging the drum for a trade deal a matter of months ago haha). Their treatment of the Uighur Muslims has been reprehensible, and the question of Tibet has been ducked. Almost certainly they haven’t been honest in the current crisis.

None of that excuses the negligence of the governments of the UK and the US.

[seriouspie]

China shouldn’t have got the 2008 Olympics and we shouldn’t be doing the amount of trade we do with them, (though lots of people who are getting stuck into them now were banging the drum for a trade deal a matter of months ago haha). Their treatment of the Uighur Muslims has been reprehensible, and the question of Tibet has been ducked. Almost certainly they haven’t been honest in the current crisis.

None of that excuses the negligence of the governments of the UK and the US.

Well f'coff then and live in a Socialist state ...... because you won't get one here for many a year. The schadenfreude is marvellous.

[sidders]

Well f'coff then and live in a Socialist state ...... because you won't get one here for many a year. The schadenfreude is marvellous.

One of my main sources of pride in my teaching days was when a pupil learned a new word and applied it successfully. Well done for achieving the learning part, Mr Serious,now we have to work on the application element.