Racism

[Jules88]

The debate is ongoing. Even stronger since the death of the American man. Just one “Mob” couldn’t wait. The police let it happen, and we what next.? Don’t criticise people for wanting the actions to be done peacefully. And with a sense of reasoning. As you say, you aren’t violent.

There probably isn’t a painting or memorial in this country that cannot be attributed to something a lot of people disagree with. People are fearful where it ends. That isn’t being racist.

[SBRed48]

Conclusion for me would be that if a local statue was deemed to be controversial for whatever reason the Local Authority should organise a local vote to decide-

Leave it alone

or

Take down and place in somewhere like a museum with accompanying educational commentary

[Jules88]

Conclusion for me would be that if a local statue was deemed to be controversial for whatever reason the Local Authority should organise a local vote to decide-

Leave it alone

or

Take down and place in somewhere like a museum with accompanying educational commentary

Absolutely. ( and this is a serious question SB, Not an attempt to be flippant).Just how local, I’m not sure of any statue in Pellon, or Birkby in Huddersfield. Would we all in Halifax and Huddersfield get a say? Or just the Local community.

A good idea, but I suggest that a reLocation away from sensitive areas would be a good option as a voting question
What is unacceptable in some areas, ( and I already agree that some are inflammatory, and should be removed).

Captain Cooks statue in Whitby fate shouldnt Be decided by a gang of Black men in London. Nor a gang of White men in London.

Good idea for me as regards local vote.

[animallittle3]

The measured response is appreciated, I do very much understand Animal. I actually live within two mile of Huddersfield Town centre, albeit close to fields. I live in a village with one of the oldest cricket fields in the country, and it’s quite nice. Very close to MoIdgreen and Dalton (not affluent areas ). I don’t live in a grand detached house, It’s a terrace. I MAY not even own it, and I do take your point as regards the fact that housing over here is significantly more expensive. My uncle worked at Park Mill, until he retired. My mother born in Wombwell. my father an electrician and great grandfather a lay preacher who baptised folk actually down the mine in Elsecar. I do understand why the thoughts of yourself exile and SB have a deep hatred of the Tories, I really do. And I DONT in any way think you shouldn’t have them. Or state them online.

The issue shouldn’t be about who put them up, or why....but if they should remain, and how deep the tenuous links should be before taking them down. Captain Cook? Lord Nelson? Harold Wilson is the next target for Kirklees Council.


My point in the post replying to exile was that the issue here is BAME, not Blame.

Fair enough Jules and well reasoned post .

[SBRed48]

Absolutely. ( and this is a serious question SB, Not an attempt to be flippant).Just how local, I’m not sure of any statue in Pellon, or Birkby in Huddersfield. Would we all in Halifax and Huddersfield get a say? Or just the Local community.

A good idea, but I suggest that a reLocation away from sensitive areas would be a good option as a voting question
What is unacceptable in some areas, ( and I already agree that some are inflammatory, and should be removed).

Captain Cooks statue in Whitby fate shouldnt Be decided by a gang of Black men in London. Nor a gang of White men in London.

Good idea for me as regards local vote.

I would say the Metropolitan Borough or County Council where it is sited. They are the ones who are likely to see the statue often.

The Colston event was something that was likely to happen in the immediate emotional aftermath of the killing, particularly after repeated efforts to remove the statue via the Bristol Council Chamber had failed.

[Hodger1957]

I went to Rome last year, they had an Empire.
They murdered millions of people and liked a slave.
Beautiful city, full of statues of dubious characters.
Do they come down, should the Coliseum be bulldozed?
It's history, and we learn from it.
I agree some statues should be remove (in a civilised way). Some should never have been put up.
Some take offence at very little, some at everything. We need a balanced approach, not gangs roaming the streets with sledgehammers.
We've already had people travelling down to guard Churchill's statue. This could turn very ugly if people turn up again to take it down.
They've already produced a map with targeted monuments and we're only in the early days.

[Romared]

Lewis Hamiltons not doing himself any favours just now asking for statues in Britain to be removed , he should look at who pays him his millions ? And stick to racing his car's , another Tax Exile that doesn't contribute money wise to Britain , good work if you can get it !!!

Jooa Locke and Di ckie Bird should be safe ,,,,

[SBRed48]

Baden Powell's statue in Poole is said to being tekken darn and stored temporarily to protect it, He is alleged to ev been involved in some dodgy events with the Zulus in wars in South Africa.
If he had written a book entitled "Scouting for Boys" nardays the local pa edo vigilantes wudda been banging on his dooar.

[Hodger1957]

I bet Lewis Hamilton's got a statue of himself somewhere.

[Jules88]

This from union history.info.
Apologies for the Copy and Paste, (re-hashing things from Websites isn’t usually my cup of tea, but it’s an example of how we got it wrong on ALL sides.

“despite black workers joining trade unions in large numbers, they were not welcomed by the UK trade union movement or the TUC. While the immigrant workers did not constitute a threat to the jobs of British workers because of acute labour shortages following the war, the TUC argued during the 1950's and 1960's that black workers did not integrate with white workers. This helped to stereotype black migrant workers as "problem" and "other". Even though during the 1969 TUC Congress, rank-and-file trade union members challenged the immigration controls and supported government's plans in calling for positive action to combat discrimination, the TUC General Council prevented the motion receiving majority support, thereby opposing government ( Prime Minister Wilson (Lab) plans for anti-discrimination legislation.”

So, happened in all walks of life in those uneducated days.

I also found out this from the “education” I received this morning.
The statue outside the TUC headquarters was made by one Jacob Epstein. A sculpture who named two of his statues “the Little Negress” and “the Negress”.

I’m not daft enough to suggest that this statue should come down, it just illustrates that if you dig deep enough on anyone or anything , and you want to cause trouble, you can find links to all people and organisations, despite how great and good their intentions and deeds are of poor practices.

Thanks exile for asking if I’d read up, and actually knew about the subject. The examples above aren’t meant to attack anyone, or the Unions, without Unions I grant the situation of slavery and exploitation would probably still be around today..... just an example of why some folk are worried about the situation.


Time for tea and stickies in Huddersfield.......
Now where’s that bell.......