Second Wave On The Way

[wbaliquidator]

Ok maybe some on you on here want to believe that’s is all some grand conspiracy theory. Or dark forces at play that we are just puppets in all of this. All those experts what do they know they are all part of it, every single one of them. Maybe it all the frustration of not watching live football (but then again that’s more stressing).
Our way of life turned upside down and we want to blame someone, maybe the government, or WHO, or the council, the doctors, teachers, etc etc maybe it is those reptiles from another planet as David Icke said, after all he is the proclaimed son of god and all things true.
But the real villain here is the virus; it has no social, economic, or physical land boundaries.

Maybe people think it’s all hype? People die anyway of pneumonia type symptoms it’s just all hype ok. Maybe people don’t know of anyone who has caught it, or they may have had mild symptom that’s understandable i get it.
Ok So let’s all take our masks off, get back to normal and go for it. Some old git down the road in some nursing home would die anyway who cares it’s not my mom or dad or any relative of mine so who cares.

That’s fine as long as you or your nearest and dearest don’t belong to the following groups
Black
Asian
Long list of well documented chronic conditions (that’s most people who take regular meds by the way) That about 15million people (kingsfund.org)
Over weight
Potential to develop Cykokine storm if you get the virus
After that the rest of us just are in the 3.4 % mortality rate if we catch it.

Why was it that just 14 people died yesterday? It was due to lockdown in the previous months.
This virus is pandemic, it can kill YOU and the 679,000 dead so far is grossly underestimated by many experts. Even when most of the world’s populations were locked down the virus still thrived.

If this was a football match it would be the half time break and we would be been 6 nil down after 10 mins and have spent the last 35 mins playing for time.

[Albionic68]

Death by drowning in your own lung fluid isn't a conspiracy, it's a bloody horrible way to go.

Stay safe, wash your hands and hope for the best folks.

[phild]

We have, currently, a covid 19 prevalence of about 0.04%. To count as an epidemic, according to the WHO definition, that would need to be 0.3%. In order to meet someone with Covid19 you might have to meet 4,000 people and that's increasing. Another variable is the infection rate, even if you meet that person you are unlikely to get this disease. And if you do then at that point the infection mortality rate, the likelihood that you will die, becomes 0.2%. And then, more than likely, only if you are around 80 years old. Total deaths from covid in UK is 0.07% of the population. There are more deaths from flu which is 0.2%

[baggieal]

I don’t like wearing a mask but I am complying with the regulations, with my WBA mask! I do not understand some people, though, who I see driving, alone in their car, with a mask on! I have seen people in their gardens, at least 100 yards from the road, with a mask on. Most odd.

It’s all inconsistent bollox by a government who don’t know what they are doing! I went into M & S the other day and about six shelve stackers did not have masks on and were almost on top of customers. Are we saying these M & S staff are protected from the virus by packets of strawberries or even an apple or two! No wonder some customers just pulled their own masks off. One cough or sneeze by someone not wearing a mask could go straight into a nearby persons eyes so what good is a mask!!! Even families are all wearing masks along the street. So if that babbling old fool Boris told everyone to jump in a lake - would many do it?

So in supermarkets or cafes where you can sit down and eat are we saying it’s ok without a mask to shovel food down your gob without a mask even though you walk past those who have masks on!!

If Boris enforced gathering of more than 30 people with huge fines then perhaps more would take it seriously. As it is - protests every other week and still places of worship are open. Perhaps I should go into a place of worship without a mask and pray for the Albion next year with one of Lai’s boys in charge FFS.

[Albionic68]

I'll just leave this here for now..........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53650214

[mickd1961]

The whole thing is becoming a farce.

Personal responsibility is what’s needed like with most aspects of life.

If you are obese,suffer from asthma or have other serious health concerns then take extra care.

Do not go to football matches or stand in a crowded pub especially in winter with other diseases causing coughs and colds.

If I was in this category or any member of your family is then be responsible.

The problem as I see it is that up to 70% of people are a symptomatic and carry Covid without getting sick themselves.

Should 99.7% of the population by trapped in perpetual purgatory to protect 0.3% of people.......many of who would die of something else anyway in pretty short order!?

If I happen to be one of the 0.3% I can live with that.........well actually I’ll die so that’s a bad analogy but you get my drift!,

I can’t think of another instance in history where 99.7% of humanity has been instructed to save 0.3%

Maybe I’m in the minority but I must say that I’m finding this new “normal” to be fairly mind numbing and I’m glad I’m nearly 59 and not 19.

What a miserable existence it’s going to be if this is the new status quo.

[mickd1961]

Just another thought on this and a question for Dubs really.

Are governments actually trying to protect people ( the 0.3% ) OR.........is it more a case of them trying to protect their health providing services due to the rate of infection?

This leads me back to yesterday’s point in that I think we need to ramp up respiratory provision with more specialist hospital services and staff so that we can cope and let normality to everyday life to return.

[Dubbag]

Just another thought on this and a question for Dubs really.

Are governments actually trying to protect people ( the 0.3% ) OR.........is it more a case of them trying to protect their health providing services due to the rate of infection?

This leads me back to yesterday’s point in that I think we need to ramp up respiratory provision with more specialist hospital services and staff so that we can cope and let normality to everyday life to return.

Consider this Mick.......In 2008 when the banking system collapsed.....the policy makers looked back at 1929 and decide to do the complete opposite because it was regarded as adding to a bad situation and that those policy decisions were woeful.
I'll leave that to the reader to decide weather it worked or not....12 years later.

When SARS-Cov2 broke on to the seen, they looked back at the policy decisions of policy makers back in 1918, when the Spanish flu pandemic broke for some kind of lead...The basics still work...hand hygiene, social distancing, proper etiquette when sneezing or coughing. War was raging on and most people of our standard were living in very bad squalid conditions...when the basics were hard to implement. And check how in particular the Philadelphia authority handled it..spoiler..(a disaster).
Most of the governments want to be looking like they are doing all this for your benefit...but looking at it from here...it would seem that they can not control people from moving around and are willing to continue to open up the economy. However the risk is quite apparent and it is this.. while the numbers been admitted to hospitals have been dropping, the numbers been infected are not falling much lower then present...and this is still Summer season.
They have already had a dry run at ramping up, a test so to speak......many specialist units will come back on stream as we progress in to autumn and the Nightingale hospital has already been ready...so...it is just getting the PPE stuff in place and that is about all you can do for now...and hope people continue to play there part......

[mickd1961]

But this is my points Dubs.....

Are government protecting the people or the lack of facilities in place?

I think it’s the latter because a death rate of 0.3% is way lower than many other illnesses etc.

I am if the opinion that health provision needs ramping up in perpetuity to allow life to return to normal.

In the meantime just be sensible.

[kettering_baggie]

I am thoroughly fed up with all the restrictions; I keep having the thought that I want to get back to doing the things that I enjoy and take my chances regarding catching the virus, as I and everyone else does with all the other potentially fatal illnesses that we can contract. However, then I think how would I feel if one of my family caught it and died. I suspect that I would be regretting the easing of restrictions. I am glad that it is not me that is having to take the decisions.